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on another vip episode of the hero

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paranormal podcast

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broadcasting from the base at la madre

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mountain just south of area 51 my name

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is ryan the original outlaw of the

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airwaves bringing you an epic episode

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tonight

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on today's podcast we have a beyond

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amazing guest eric mitchell

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he has an amazing story he's a guy who

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spoke with astronaut edgar mitchell

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before his death with frequency and

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spoke about ufos and what they mean

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when eric mitchell isn't talking to

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astronauts he might be discussing ufos

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with cia agents or something else along

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eric is an absolutely awesome guy who

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had his life changed forever by a series

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of strange events

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eric's amazing story has gained the

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attention of a harvard university study

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and

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eric has a fantastic documentary

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coming out called experiencer

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i'm very excited and interested about

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this groundbreaking harvard study which

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will document the mental and physical

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anomalies

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experiencers tend to demonstrate which

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defy traditional science and physics

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huge things connecting academia and ufos

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right now

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and eric is smack dab in the middle of

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it all eric mitchell has worked with and

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helped ufo organizations and people all

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over the world

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well over three thousand to date

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certainly making him an expert in the

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field of ufo advocacy

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he has a lot of useful and valuable

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information to share with the masses and

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to help us all

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be better human beings in general

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opening up about his own amazing

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experiences eric has helped a variety of

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revealing the mind's connection to

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these types of events and what it all

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really means

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join us going down the rabbit hole with

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experiencer eric mitchell as we learn

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more about some of the biggest questions

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of our time

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eric mitchell welcome to the hero

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paranormal podcast

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well thank you for having me on ryan

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it's a pleasure

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i've been really excited to talk to you

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there's there's so many things that uh i

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can't wait to discuss and

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it it's just so awesome all the things

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that you're involved with

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and i don't know where to start um

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let's talk about let's see where can we

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eric you had three initial sightings

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that i would love to delve into

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how's the best way to go about that and

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kicking this thing off

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well sure i uh i actually

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spent 34 years of my life thinking that

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people believed in ufos were absolutely

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nuts you know

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tinfoil hat wearing uh conspiracy

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vernon uh growing up uh so

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the first time i woke up

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just outside of my uh my door which was

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strange you know because here i am

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outside and uh my left shoulder's facing

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the uh the end of a short at dead end

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street you know it was very uh very

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my eyebrows were kind of squeezing

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anything of what i was looking at it

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looked like a

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40-foot in diameter orange glowing

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sphere it looked like the sun it rippled

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and um i must have looked at it for

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about 20 minutes just like what is this

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i bring some coffee i kept looking and

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what this optical illusion is and be

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pacing my one story building having a

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cigarette you know kids in the house

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very very slowly turns on

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and starts moving about two miles an

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hour blinking completely off and

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completely on and doing like a

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horseshoe shape around me as i'm turning

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my body watching this thing

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this it gives you that primitive feeling

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just above the door frame there it was

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maybe 12 15 feet from my forehead it

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flashed twice very quickly and shot away

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like a bullet and of course my knees

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my hands were shaking i couldn't even

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move i i was just uh

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floored but what i was looking at and

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in none of this

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questioning in my brain ever thought of

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a ufo because in my mind a ufo would be

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like a you know 1950s film with a little

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uh you know saucer hanging off the

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fishing string yeah so i had no idea

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what it was

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i had to kind of rule out military

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because there's just no way we have that

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technology

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it was incredible

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by the next day i was working on my car

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with my buddy

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he went to go inside no i knelt down to

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tie my shoe and uh i felt this vibration

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on the top of my head

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and uh like it was so subtle i didn't

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think much of it at first and it was

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like someone had turned the the volume

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up all the way it knocked me to the

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ground um i describe it like if you ever

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go to a uh

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rock and roll concert and stand in front

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of the speaker you feel that vibration

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bouncing off of you

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if you can imagine that times a million

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directed at your your head you can feel

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it everywhere but directed at your head

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i rocked back and forth as if i was a

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a magnet you know underneath a stronger

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i knew i was throwing up

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for a long period of time and and

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closing so i knew i was throwing up but

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that all i could think is oh my god i'm

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being killed that lasted about 12 15

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seconds felt like forever

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and i pushed myself off the ground i

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looked up the object was right above me

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and it flashed twice again and shot off

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the opposite uh it did you know the

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bleeding my nose was bleeding and i had

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vomit all over me

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and i i know it sounds funny but i laid

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there for like 20 minutes it was a

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primal um instinct you know not to move

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something might see you

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know i already seen how fast this thing

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was so i had no chance of of making it

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floor uh laid there because the tiles

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and uh i passed out

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wow that was the uh

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usually what i can fit in on doing radio

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shows but that was the beginning of a

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very long

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uh interaction with this thing

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amazing it's such an amazing amazing

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these these sorts of things bring about

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brain anomalies and neurological

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expansion i guess you could call it of

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awareness sometimes don't they

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i guess my investigators and and people

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that have kind of screened me uh

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just about every way

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they noticed that you know here i am

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this southern guy from arkansas you know

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to rapidly growing into you know 150 iq

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losing most of the accent

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um and and educating myself uh

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constantly i devoured libraries uh when

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i should be sleeping i could only sleep

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about um

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maybe three or four hours a night which

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is still to this day

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about three or four hours and that's

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that's enough to take care of it

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so craved information i went through

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a lot of people would say that wow

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that's amazing but savant syndrome is

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very uh uh it's terrible to adjust to

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um my hearing was picking up literally

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everything and my brain had the

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inability to

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decipher everything all at once it was

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almost like obtaining adhd or

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you know being on the spectrum somehow

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excuse me but

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just like everything you you tend to get

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used to it and it became

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something very useful for me uh once i

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kind of mastered that but

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i did

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go through

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you know i definitely thought i might

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have had a you know a brain tumor or

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somehow delusional and none of this was

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happening even though you know my

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neighbors were all over it taking

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pictures of these things

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you know my investigative team was

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conducting

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you know investigation uh picking up on

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high strangeness high emf the fields in

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the area

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and uh witness statements and it goes on

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and on and on and on with the

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investigation they look in every

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direction

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um they want it submissible which means

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you know if i had to go to court over

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this and win one day

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uh that uh they gathered enough evidence

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where it would you know pass before a

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judge or a jury

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so it was very difficult oftentimes i

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don't talk about this but it got so

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distracting for myself i would lay down

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in the uh the bathtub and turn on the

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water and just listen to the uh

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individual drops to keep my mind

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uh busy you know just to maybe get a

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break and subside for a little while i

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hear you

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wow and

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you know experiencers have a variety of

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traits that take place

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after a scenario like this and

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they've been likened to a type of

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antenna or person that can serve as a

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beacon of sorts to the phenomenon

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afterwards is that safe to say

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it's very safe to say extremely safe to

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say

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there are things that are of my opinion

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that might make people roll their eyes

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until they look into it this

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classic blue light that fills up your

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bedroom or your car while you're driving

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usually you'll see this blue light

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witnesses said that when i got knocked

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down there was a pencil themed blue

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light just hitting the top of my head

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so almost every time you see this this

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blue light is maybe

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it just surely isn't a phenomenon to

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light the way for these

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craft to uh to go they don't need that

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uh this is an interaction of the brain

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and this is what i completely believe

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um because i've been there done that you

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know now

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um universities like um you know

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stanford university with dr gary nolan

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he has studied uh you know the the brain

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of the quintessential experiencer and

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he's looking and he's finding this uh

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cardiopathamin basal ganglia area uh

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really firing up and uh it's very much

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responsible for empathy

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what a lot of people don't believe in

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psychic ability we do have that

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um and uh so many other uh extraordinary

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uh sensory perceptions that uh you know

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have been made fun of for you know since

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the birth of uh christianity which is

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funny because that whole area you don't

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find that very particular gene in a

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genome it's a big black area

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for empaths and psychics and stuff like

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that

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because they were slaughtered back in

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that area you know come to find out but

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um

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but this particular part of the brain

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that fires up

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it's

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white hot so it looks like a white dead

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brain matter to a lot of people that

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don't know what they're looking at under

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an mri but it's actually

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somehow

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possesses the ability of non-locality

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for instance if

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you take a person in a court

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coho group that has never had an

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experience

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and you

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take a look at their brain ask them to

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solve a question or a puzzle you're

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going to see firing of left and right

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synopsis going on and off until they

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you know

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finally decide or make a decision on

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this puzzle

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what you see with the uh quintessential

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experiencer is the caution basal ganglia

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or

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quote unquote the antenna

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it will fire up immediately have the

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answer and there's no brain activity

371
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outside of that like

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almost like it's asking the universe the

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question and it's getting it from the

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outside somehow so

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you can see where

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you

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here's the science but here's where

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spirituality kind of crosses through how

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does

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consciousness itself leave the mind and

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come back with answers where is it going

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how is this operating and the only

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placeholder word that's really used for

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this is quantum entanglement you know

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einstein's spooky action at a distance

386
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you know einstein walked away from it he

387
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didn't like that but uh it's it's a part

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of our lives all the time and once we

389
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learn how to utilize it

390
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we won't even recognize

391
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today's technology it'll all be obsolete

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but

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that's basically how it works there is a

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um

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a very small instance there's an

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electromagnetic wand that the male

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clinic has and it's opened up for some

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human trials and all animal trials and

399
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you literally hold it three inches over

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the brain over the head you don't have

401
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to cut into the skull or anything like

402
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that just wave a wand over the skull

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and

404
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you're going to get

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you know reaction out of your mental

406
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synopsis because uh consciousness itself

407
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or mental synopsis is basically a tiny

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sliver in the electromagnetic field so

409
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once you have an electromagnetic field

410
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that's conducive uh they'll interact at

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a distance even if it's only three

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inches

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but there's no telling how far that can

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go if you kind of up the uh up the power

415
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under eegs you're looking at

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the average person having a 7.38 hertz

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brain

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coincidentally the same frequency in in

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which dna speaks to each other

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when you take a typical experiencer

421
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you're going to look at at least 30

422
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hertz sometimes 50 sometimes 100 these

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people meditate a lot they don't have an

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inner dialogue you know bothering them

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all the time

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and uh i was recording actually in a

427
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nashville recording studio

428
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uh at 1 590 hertz uh at will when i was

429
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asked to do so whoa that's uh

430
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pretty impressive for for everybody once

431
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they ran diagnostics and figured out it

432
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was actually me doing that yeah

433
00:16:18,470 --> 00:16:17,120
for sure

434
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yeah and uh

435
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so i i can take up the whole show on on

436
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you know how all this stuff works but

437
00:16:29,910 --> 00:16:27,920
it's basically that it's amazing

438
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let's get into the quantum entanglement

439
00:16:34,710 --> 00:16:31,759
that's just fascinates me a little bit

440
00:16:36,550 --> 00:16:34,720
and how people know how to look up or

441
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know when to look up and interact with

442
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these things

443
00:16:42,949 --> 00:16:40,399
that's exactly right i in the very

444
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beginning i did reach out to ufology

445
00:16:47,590 --> 00:16:45,279
which is essentially a business you know

446
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if you're not uh if you're not in it to

447
00:16:51,749 --> 00:16:49,759
make money or something like that it's

448
00:16:54,150 --> 00:16:51,759
really not a direction you need to go if

449
00:16:55,670 --> 00:16:54,160
you have uh an experience especially if

450
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you're being studied

451
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um

452
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you kind of

453
00:17:01,590 --> 00:17:00,399
want to make use out of that

454
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you know and

455
00:17:05,429 --> 00:17:03,600
i really didn't want to talk about

456
00:17:07,909 --> 00:17:05,439
you know the actual things that happened

457
00:17:09,990 --> 00:17:07,919
to me because they just sounded too woo

458
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you know i wanted science to explain

459
00:17:14,630 --> 00:17:12,640
that um how in the world do i feel like

460
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a magnet scooting across the ground left

461
00:17:18,470 --> 00:17:15,679
and right

462
00:17:20,390 --> 00:17:18,480
when you know i'm i'm not a magnet

463
00:17:23,669 --> 00:17:20,400
you know the the answer to that is you

464
00:17:25,590 --> 00:17:23,679
know the uh um the iron in your blood is

465
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actually negatively charged

466
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so

467
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if you have a high pulsing

468
00:17:31,190 --> 00:17:29,600
electromagnetic field you're going to

469
00:17:32,710 --> 00:17:31,200
feel like you're being pushed away from

470
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it you are going to be pushed away from

471
00:17:37,510 --> 00:17:35,280
it uh the burns on my skin or just a you

472
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know where it kind of

473
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um

474
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has the lift of the the positive charge

475
00:17:43,909 --> 00:17:42,880
and the burns on the skin only last a

476
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few days

477
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um a lot of scientists that work with uh

478
00:17:50,470 --> 00:17:48,960
high-powered magnets or electromagnetism

479
00:17:51,990 --> 00:17:50,480
know to protect their eyes because it

480
00:17:54,310 --> 00:17:52,000
will push and pull on your eyes at the

481
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same time and you end up wearing reading

482
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glasses uh which is what i wear now

483
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because of the uh the incident so

484
00:18:02,950 --> 00:18:01,440
it left a lot of evidence behind i was

485
00:18:04,549 --> 00:18:02,960
just too afraid to talk about things

486
00:18:07,190 --> 00:18:04,559
that didn't make sense

487
00:18:08,710 --> 00:18:07,200
um but uh gosh

488
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i'm trying not to go too many different

489
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directions

490
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i'd love to not answer your question but

491
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uh

492
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um what was your question again

493
00:18:19,909 --> 00:18:18,160
yeah no you you nailed it um basically

494
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you know how these

495
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variety this is exactly kind of what i

496
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wanted to get into um can we talk about

497
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your vision and how it was manipulated

498
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excuse me

499
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sorry about that that time of year yeah

500
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yeah yeah i mean

501
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what specifically would you want to look

502
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at i mean

503
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as far as an optometrist

504
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they would tell you

505
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what happened did you stay close to a

506
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big magnet

507
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you know i've been

508
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20 20 my whole life it was actually hard

509
00:19:03,510 --> 00:18:55,919
to

510
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a band-aid if you will and they worked

511
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they worked perfectly i can see far away

512
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and up close it's amazing

513
00:19:12,150 --> 00:19:09,600
just five dollar

514
00:19:14,549 --> 00:19:12,160
reading glasses that's so cool

515
00:19:15,830 --> 00:19:14,559
yeah that's i'm just fascinated by that

516
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and

517
00:19:20,710 --> 00:19:18,400
you've had some amazing experiences kind

518
00:19:22,470 --> 00:19:20,720
of getting well into the military

519
00:19:25,190 --> 00:19:22,480
involvement which may have been

520
00:19:26,470 --> 00:19:25,200
monitoring or engaging with ufos can we

521
00:19:28,390 --> 00:19:26,480
get into that

522
00:19:30,070 --> 00:19:28,400
a little bit maybe silent helicopters

523
00:19:32,390 --> 00:19:30,080
and other stuff

524
00:19:35,750 --> 00:19:32,400
sure i mean there was a lot going on at

525
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the same time so i'd love to throw just

526
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a timeline down

527
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but while this is happening 10 other

528
00:19:43,110 --> 00:19:41,039
things are happening you know so it's

529
00:19:45,430 --> 00:19:43,120
really difficult to

530
00:19:47,430 --> 00:19:45,440
you know put together

531
00:19:50,470 --> 00:19:47,440
everything all at once but my neighbor

532
00:19:53,350 --> 00:19:50,480
debbie uh sweet older lady

533
00:19:54,870 --> 00:19:53,360
she cleaned out uh lakeshore condos um

534
00:19:57,270 --> 00:19:54,880
you know uh

535
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rooms you know adding soaps changing the

536
00:20:02,149 --> 00:19:59,280
seats sheets and

537
00:20:03,029 --> 00:20:02,159
um she went into this man's room

538
00:20:05,110 --> 00:20:03,039
and

539
00:20:07,430 --> 00:20:05,120
she'd already noted the guy was arrogant

540
00:20:09,029 --> 00:20:07,440
and really really rude

541
00:20:11,029 --> 00:20:09,039
but there were developed pictures of me

542
00:20:13,190 --> 00:20:11,039
and my kids all over his bed and there

543
00:20:14,950 --> 00:20:13,200
was a ledger on the nightstand and she

544
00:20:16,710 --> 00:20:14,960
read it too i mean it was everything

545
00:20:18,870 --> 00:20:16,720
that we did going to walmart playing in

546
00:20:20,870 --> 00:20:18,880
the park going swimming

547
00:20:23,590 --> 00:20:20,880
watching movies what movie we actually

548
00:20:25,669 --> 00:20:23,600
went into it was creepy dang and you

549
00:20:27,830 --> 00:20:25,679
know she called me up and my first

550
00:20:29,750 --> 00:20:27,840
thought was i have two teenage daughters

551
00:20:31,830 --> 00:20:29,760
you know we got us a creeper on our

552
00:20:33,909 --> 00:20:31,840
hands yep but um

553
00:20:35,590 --> 00:20:33,919
i told debbie i said hang up the phone

554
00:20:37,029 --> 00:20:35,600
go to the office get that man's name i

555
00:20:38,870 --> 00:20:37,039
want his name now

556
00:20:41,990 --> 00:20:38,880
so she calls me back and she said it was

557
00:20:44,310 --> 00:20:42,000
lieutenant colonel dallas he would

558
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so i called my investigator i let him

559
00:20:48,950 --> 00:20:47,120
know he dug up five faces for

560
00:20:50,230 --> 00:20:48,960
to pick out in a lineup and she picked

561
00:20:51,909 --> 00:20:50,240
out the one that worked in the

562
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department of foreign relations foreign

563
00:20:56,870 --> 00:20:54,080
technologies and several other

564
00:20:58,549 --> 00:20:56,880
um you know projects and um this was the

565
00:21:00,549 --> 00:20:58,559
guy to uh

566
00:21:02,710 --> 00:21:00,559
to be stalking me and my kids

567
00:21:04,630 --> 00:21:02,720
so you know there were i think the first

568
00:21:07,350 --> 00:21:04,640
time a helicopter showed up

569
00:21:09,029 --> 00:21:07,360
uh myself uh dan dan was at uh

570
00:21:11,350 --> 00:21:09,039
wright-patterson air force base for

571
00:21:13,669 --> 00:21:11,360
eight years he did two terms uh served

572
00:21:15,830 --> 00:21:13,679
in the air force and um he moved home

573
00:21:17,430 --> 00:21:15,840
with his wife right across from me so we

574
00:21:20,710 --> 00:21:17,440
became good friends

575
00:21:23,029 --> 00:21:20,720
and um we're bellied up to my cadillac

576
00:21:25,430 --> 00:21:23,039
and this thing you really can't

577
00:21:27,590 --> 00:21:25,440
look away from it i mean it's just it's

578
00:21:28,950 --> 00:21:27,600
such a marvel that you can't your brain

579
00:21:31,190 --> 00:21:28,960
can't even believe it's right in front

580
00:21:33,350 --> 00:21:31,200
of you but it was below the tree line

581
00:21:35,669 --> 00:21:33,360
i could have taken off a shoe and threw

582
00:21:38,390 --> 00:21:35,679
it and hit it that's how close it was so

583
00:21:40,070 --> 00:21:38,400
we're just kind of bellied up to the car

584
00:21:42,310 --> 00:21:40,080
and we didn't even hear this helicopter

585
00:21:44,149 --> 00:21:42,320
coming from behind us but as soon as it

586
00:21:46,470 --> 00:21:44,159
broke the tree line you can hear it and

587
00:21:48,390 --> 00:21:46,480
it dipped down the object immediately

588
00:21:49,990 --> 00:21:48,400
took off otherwise i wouldn't have

589
00:21:51,510 --> 00:21:50,000
turned around to look at a helicopter

590
00:21:53,190 --> 00:21:51,520
right behind me you know i mean there's

591
00:21:54,870 --> 00:21:53,200
no way i'll take my chances with the

592
00:21:56,870 --> 00:21:54,880
chopper

593
00:21:57,750 --> 00:21:56,880
but this thing just took off like a

594
00:21:59,669 --> 00:21:57,760
bullet

595
00:22:01,990 --> 00:21:59,679
almost like they've met before you know

596
00:22:03,430 --> 00:22:02,000
and uh we turned around i was holding my

597
00:22:05,350 --> 00:22:03,440
hat on my head

598
00:22:06,710 --> 00:22:05,360
um and this guy looked like he was just

599
00:22:08,390 --> 00:22:06,720
gonna land right there in the street i

600
00:22:10,549 --> 00:22:08,400
mean he was just above the street you

601
00:22:13,190 --> 00:22:10,559
can see the windshield you can see the

602
00:22:14,149 --> 00:22:13,200
big goggles on his face his his chin his

603
00:22:15,190 --> 00:22:14,159
nose

604
00:22:17,990 --> 00:22:15,200
um

605
00:22:20,950 --> 00:22:18,000
he spotlighted us uh right in our face i

606
00:22:22,549 --> 00:22:20,960
mean it was like a point-blank spotlight

607
00:22:24,310 --> 00:22:22,559
uh and then he took the spotlight went

608
00:22:26,149 --> 00:22:24,320
up and down the street and then kind of

609
00:22:28,789 --> 00:22:26,159
in the yard across the street i guess

610
00:22:30,710 --> 00:22:28,799
looking for maybe other witnesses

611
00:22:31,750 --> 00:22:30,720
and he rose up and went back over the

612
00:22:33,750 --> 00:22:31,760
trees

613
00:22:35,990 --> 00:22:33,760
and uh i immediately told my daughter i

614
00:22:37,990 --> 00:22:36,000
said sweetheart the military knows go

615
00:22:39,909 --> 00:22:38,000
inside brew some coffee we're gonna get

616
00:22:42,870 --> 00:22:39,919
some answers tonight you know because

617
00:22:45,270 --> 00:22:42,880
that's what happens in the movies but uh

618
00:22:47,909 --> 00:22:45,280
how it really happens is uh people in

619
00:22:49,669 --> 00:22:47,919
the cia pull a um

620
00:22:51,590 --> 00:22:49,679
what is that called domestic

621
00:22:54,710 --> 00:22:51,600
intelligence report and that's just a

622
00:22:57,510 --> 00:22:54,720
basic report to file out so they can

623
00:22:59,190 --> 00:22:57,520
literally spy on an american citizen you

624
00:23:01,750 --> 00:22:59,200
know they have the right to do that now

625
00:23:03,830 --> 00:23:01,760
apparently right and um so they kind of

626
00:23:07,190 --> 00:23:03,840
monitor you from a distance really

627
00:23:08,789 --> 00:23:07,200
we had a couple of recruiters they said

628
00:23:10,789 --> 00:23:08,799
there were recruiters i knocked on my

629
00:23:12,310 --> 00:23:10,799
door when i wasn't home

630
00:23:15,830 --> 00:23:12,320
went inside

631
00:23:18,870 --> 00:23:15,840
with two underage females which is a pr

632
00:23:20,470 --> 00:23:18,880
no no you don't do that if you represent

633
00:23:22,870 --> 00:23:20,480
the military you don't even get on an

634
00:23:25,270 --> 00:23:22,880
elevator with an underage female

635
00:23:27,830 --> 00:23:25,280
just leaves room for for whatever might

636
00:23:29,830 --> 00:23:27,840
happen you know as far as rumor or just

637
00:23:32,230 --> 00:23:29,840
something just don't do it because you

638
00:23:34,310 --> 00:23:32,240
represent you know armed forces

639
00:23:36,070 --> 00:23:34,320
um one of them went down the hallway and

640
00:23:38,149 --> 00:23:36,080
said he had to go to the bathroom and

641
00:23:39,909 --> 00:23:38,159
the other one kept the other two busy

642
00:23:41,750 --> 00:23:39,919
now recruiters always give you cards

643
00:23:43,590 --> 00:23:41,760
names phone numbers they'll give you a

644
00:23:45,190 --> 00:23:43,600
laptop if you let them

645
00:23:47,430 --> 00:23:45,200
but

646
00:23:48,470 --> 00:23:47,440
my daughter got a little a little shaken

647
00:23:51,269 --> 00:23:48,480
and she went down the hallway and

648
00:23:52,789 --> 00:23:51,279
noticed the bathroom door was open and

649
00:23:55,590 --> 00:23:52,799
the light was off there was nobody in

650
00:23:57,990 --> 00:23:55,600
there so she walked into my room and

651
00:23:59,909 --> 00:23:58,000
this man was going through my desk and

652
00:24:01,350 --> 00:23:59,919
uh and she said what are you doing in my

653
00:24:03,190 --> 00:24:01,360
dad's room and he said well i was in

654
00:24:05,590 --> 00:24:03,200
here just i saw a kitty and i wanted to

655
00:24:07,750 --> 00:24:05,600
pet it and uh they immediately kind of

656
00:24:09,269 --> 00:24:07,760
scrambled and left meanwhile dan's

657
00:24:11,990 --> 00:24:09,279
calling me at work saying something's

658
00:24:13,430 --> 00:24:12,000
wrong because they parked their vehicle

659
00:24:15,990 --> 00:24:13,440
way down at the end of the street the

660
00:24:17,669 --> 00:24:16,000
mailboxes walked to your front door and

661
00:24:19,510 --> 00:24:17,679
closed the door when they went in there

662
00:24:21,750 --> 00:24:19,520
with your daughters he said son this is

663
00:24:23,990 --> 00:24:21,760
not how they act something's wrong here

664
00:24:24,870 --> 00:24:24,000
so by the time i rushed home

665
00:24:26,630 --> 00:24:24,880
um

666
00:24:29,269 --> 00:24:26,640
they were gone already

667
00:24:30,870 --> 00:24:29,279
i was angry as you can imagine ryan so i

668
00:24:32,789 --> 00:24:30,880
went straight to all the recruiting

669
00:24:34,549 --> 00:24:32,799
offices they're all right next door to

670
00:24:37,830 --> 00:24:34,559
each other and i went looking for these

671
00:24:40,549 --> 00:24:37,840
men and they did not work um you know

672
00:24:42,870 --> 00:24:40,559
for recruiting officers right so i have

673
00:24:46,630 --> 00:24:42,880
no idea who they were but later on we

674
00:24:47,590 --> 00:24:46,640
did find a gps uh tracking device in my

675
00:24:49,909 --> 00:24:47,600
desk

676
00:24:52,310 --> 00:24:49,919
um it was in the drawer and it was kind

677
00:24:54,549 --> 00:24:52,320
of had like a sticky on it

678
00:24:56,870 --> 00:24:54,559
uh taped up underneath

679
00:24:58,470 --> 00:24:56,880
and uh there was another one found

680
00:25:00,710 --> 00:24:58,480
underneath my uh

681
00:25:02,870 --> 00:25:00,720
you know my driver's seat car

682
00:25:04,950 --> 00:25:02,880
my son had dropped a game boy

683
00:25:07,029 --> 00:25:04,960
rolled under the seat he retrieved it

684
00:25:08,390 --> 00:25:07,039
and then grabbed the uh the chip

685
00:25:10,630 --> 00:25:08,400
and he said dad this is a tracking

686
00:25:11,990 --> 00:25:10,640
device well my son was like 10 years old

687
00:25:13,830 --> 00:25:12,000
at the time i'm laughing at him i said

688
00:25:16,310 --> 00:25:13,840
you know you're playing too many video

689
00:25:18,789 --> 00:25:16,320
games and he said no i know what this is

690
00:25:20,549 --> 00:25:18,799
so he took it upon himself to send it to

691
00:25:22,310 --> 00:25:20,559
my investigator because i didn't think

692
00:25:26,789 --> 00:25:22,320
much of it and it turned out to be a

693
00:25:28,630 --> 00:25:26,799
late 1940s early 1950s tracking device

694
00:25:31,029 --> 00:25:28,640
when i called my investigator i can

695
00:25:33,190 --> 00:25:31,039
understand one being in my vehicle but

696
00:25:34,870 --> 00:25:33,200
why would one be in my debt he said eric

697
00:25:36,950 --> 00:25:34,880
if you ever move they'd find out about

698
00:25:38,230 --> 00:25:36,960
it that way so i mean i guess that kind

699
00:25:41,350 --> 00:25:38,240
of makes sense

700
00:25:44,149 --> 00:25:41,360
but uh it was extremely invasive it made

701
00:25:46,950 --> 00:25:44,159
me uh incredibly angry

702
00:25:49,269 --> 00:25:46,960
um with my countrymen with the people

703
00:25:51,029 --> 00:25:49,279
that take the oath to uh protect and

704
00:25:53,269 --> 00:25:51,039
serve their people

705
00:25:56,390 --> 00:25:53,279
and not treat them like lab rats but

706
00:25:58,149 --> 00:25:56,400
eventually that's uh that's how it works

707
00:26:01,830 --> 00:25:58,159
yeah man

708
00:26:03,029 --> 00:26:01,840
wild is so wild and

709
00:26:05,430 --> 00:26:03,039
now

710
00:26:06,310 --> 00:26:05,440
your your neighbors my understanding is

711
00:26:08,310 --> 00:26:06,320
you were

712
00:26:11,269 --> 00:26:08,320
one of the last if not the last to leave

713
00:26:13,909 --> 00:26:11,279
this particular area is that true

714
00:26:15,510 --> 00:26:13,919
yeah yeah with the activity helicopters

715
00:26:16,950 --> 00:26:15,520
all that stuff

716
00:26:19,750 --> 00:26:16,960
people

717
00:26:21,029 --> 00:26:19,760
they were freaked out

718
00:26:23,110 --> 00:26:21,039
there were

719
00:26:24,870 --> 00:26:23,120
an awful lot of people

720
00:26:26,710 --> 00:26:24,880
moving very quickly you know people that

721
00:26:29,669 --> 00:26:26,720
couldn't even afford it

722
00:26:31,590 --> 00:26:29,679
and uh there was also people um you know

723
00:26:33,990 --> 00:26:31,600
since i lived in a small town in

724
00:26:36,230 --> 00:26:34,000
arkansas they were all kind of gathering

725
00:26:37,190 --> 00:26:36,240
out there you know maybe 20 30 people at

726
00:26:39,430 --> 00:26:37,200
a time

727
00:26:41,190 --> 00:26:39,440
uh once people started talking they

728
00:26:42,789 --> 00:26:41,200
wanted to see what this was

729
00:26:45,510 --> 00:26:42,799
so they would pull up in their vehicles

730
00:26:48,070 --> 00:26:45,520
and just kind of wait and fair enough on

731
00:26:50,149 --> 00:26:48,080
an almost nightly basis it would show up

732
00:26:51,990 --> 00:26:50,159
not in the sky but but literally in the

733
00:26:53,590 --> 00:26:52,000
yard so

734
00:26:56,310 --> 00:26:53,600
there was interaction

735
00:26:58,950 --> 00:26:56,320
a lot of people got scared from that

736
00:27:00,470 --> 00:26:58,960
the church asked me to stop coming

737
00:27:02,950 --> 00:27:00,480
there was a uh

738
00:27:05,350 --> 00:27:02,960
a big rumor going around that i was

739
00:27:07,510 --> 00:27:05,360
calling the devil down from the sky

740
00:27:10,310 --> 00:27:07,520
and uh it scared a lot of people i live

741
00:27:11,990 --> 00:27:10,320
in a bible belt so this is why you know

742
00:27:13,669 --> 00:27:12,000
religious people

743
00:27:16,870 --> 00:27:13,679
kind of took things you know that

744
00:27:19,269 --> 00:27:16,880
direction but i would know i'd be

745
00:27:20,950 --> 00:27:19,279
just in my house doing whatever

746
00:27:22,630 --> 00:27:20,960
whatever it is i'm doing and i'd drop

747
00:27:23,669 --> 00:27:22,640
everything and just go straight to the

748
00:27:25,190 --> 00:27:23,679
door

749
00:27:27,269 --> 00:27:25,200
because i would feel that connection i

750
00:27:28,149 --> 00:27:27,279
would feel you know what direction it

751
00:27:30,070 --> 00:27:28,159
was

752
00:27:32,549 --> 00:27:30,080
and you know it's not surprising to me

753
00:27:34,549 --> 00:27:32,559
that a lot of people that have sightings

754
00:27:35,990 --> 00:27:34,559
will say that they'll say

755
00:27:36,789 --> 00:27:36,000
i just thought to look up and there it

756
00:27:39,350 --> 00:27:36,799
was

757
00:27:41,269 --> 00:27:39,360
um that's no mistake you know the

758
00:27:43,110 --> 00:27:41,279
there's a big sky out there and if you

759
00:27:43,909 --> 00:27:43,120
know what direction to look every single

760
00:27:45,510 --> 00:27:43,919
time

761
00:27:47,350 --> 00:27:45,520
there's probably something else going on

762
00:27:49,510 --> 00:27:47,360
that you you probably wouldn't fully

763
00:27:50,470 --> 00:27:49,520
understand

764
00:27:53,110 --> 00:27:50,480
man

765
00:27:55,750 --> 00:27:53,120
it's it's always occurred to me that it

766
00:27:57,669 --> 00:27:55,760
is somewhat of a spiritual kind of genre

767
00:27:59,590 --> 00:27:57,679
would you consider ufo activity as

768
00:28:01,029 --> 00:27:59,600
somewhat spiritual phenomenon in some

769
00:28:02,710 --> 00:28:01,039
sense

770
00:28:05,590 --> 00:28:02,720
well the feeling by definition

771
00:28:06,389 --> 00:28:05,600
absolutely yeah i mean absolutely

772
00:28:07,830 --> 00:28:06,399
um

773
00:28:10,870 --> 00:28:07,840
you know and there is a big fight what

774
00:28:14,710 --> 00:28:10,880
if it is a a biblical type of thing

775
00:28:16,789 --> 00:28:14,720
or what if it's an alien type of thing

776
00:28:17,830 --> 00:28:16,799
i would be surprised if it's just that

777
00:28:19,110 --> 00:28:17,840
simple

778
00:28:21,350 --> 00:28:19,120
you know i think it's a lot more

779
00:28:23,350 --> 00:28:21,360
complicated than that

780
00:28:25,830 --> 00:28:23,360
um you know it could be a part of the

781
00:28:26,870 --> 00:28:25,840
symbian circle that has just uh eluded

782
00:28:28,710 --> 00:28:26,880
us for

783
00:28:30,389 --> 00:28:28,720
thousands of years even though

784
00:28:33,510 --> 00:28:30,399
everywhere you look in religion you see

785
00:28:35,430 --> 00:28:33,520
these um these orange blowing spheres

786
00:28:37,669 --> 00:28:35,440
what if you were to look at

787
00:28:39,430 --> 00:28:37,679
our bible and see these saints every

788
00:28:41,430 --> 00:28:39,440
saint you see has this orange blowing

789
00:28:43,110 --> 00:28:41,440
sphere behind their head yeah some

790
00:28:44,789 --> 00:28:43,120
people might argue that that's a halo

791
00:28:46,789 --> 00:28:44,799
but it's depicted several different

792
00:28:49,990 --> 00:28:46,799
times differently in the bible

793
00:28:52,230 --> 00:28:50,000
um amun ra you know

794
00:28:56,310 --> 00:28:52,240
this god of egypt was absolutely

795
00:28:59,990 --> 00:28:58,870
one of the gods of egypt and uh you know

796
00:29:01,990 --> 00:29:00,000
it was seen

797
00:29:02,870 --> 00:29:02,000
quite often it was a marked down quite

798
00:29:05,909 --> 00:29:02,880
often

799
00:29:07,830 --> 00:29:05,919
uh you go over to india uh you go to

800
00:29:09,110 --> 00:29:07,840
china i mean everywhere you go you see

801
00:29:11,190 --> 00:29:09,120
the same thing

802
00:29:12,710 --> 00:29:11,200
um but what does it mean you know what

803
00:29:13,750 --> 00:29:12,720
is it

804
00:29:15,430 --> 00:29:13,760
yeah

805
00:29:18,149 --> 00:29:15,440
it does seem like the west is a little

806
00:29:19,590 --> 00:29:18,159
bit slow learning in some of these uh

807
00:29:22,230 --> 00:29:19,600
some of these things

808
00:29:23,750 --> 00:29:22,240
let's let's talk about

809
00:29:25,590 --> 00:29:23,760
well i guess let's get into it let's

810
00:29:27,669 --> 00:29:25,600
talk about the fifth floor the aviary

811
00:29:30,070 --> 00:29:27,679
guys and yeah i'm asking about

812
00:29:31,909 --> 00:29:30,080
the cia can we get into a little bit of

813
00:29:35,190 --> 00:29:31,919
that

814
00:29:37,350 --> 00:29:35,200
yeah well i looked into um

815
00:29:38,389 --> 00:29:37,360
i think i think i made some people angry

816
00:29:41,909 --> 00:29:38,399
but you know

817
00:29:44,310 --> 00:29:41,919
hey whatever but uh i did i was spending

818
00:29:46,549 --> 00:29:44,320
time i was uh sick at the time and i was

819
00:29:48,549 --> 00:29:46,559
spending time with uh audrey hughes from

820
00:29:50,789 --> 00:29:48,559
uh starborn support

821
00:29:52,230 --> 00:29:50,799
and i showed her my lead on this guy in

822
00:29:53,990 --> 00:29:52,240
the pentagon

823
00:29:57,110 --> 00:29:54,000
and we started digging up everything on

824
00:29:59,430 --> 00:29:57,120
him and and we came across

825
00:30:01,669 --> 00:29:59,440
uh this thing called ossap a thing

826
00:30:03,669 --> 00:30:01,679
called atip and a thing called uh the

827
00:30:06,470 --> 00:30:03,679
phenomenology death

828
00:30:09,430 --> 00:30:06,480
and it was very elusive and these people

829
00:30:12,549 --> 00:30:09,440
uh would have conversations with bird

830
00:30:14,389 --> 00:30:12,559
names like uh blue jay or owl and uh

831
00:30:17,110 --> 00:30:14,399
they were called the aviary and these

832
00:30:18,630 --> 00:30:17,120
are i guess what people would call the

833
00:30:19,830 --> 00:30:18,640
the men in black

834
00:30:22,389 --> 00:30:19,840
um

835
00:30:24,310 --> 00:30:22,399
maybe so it's our it's our cia officials

836
00:30:25,510 --> 00:30:24,320
that look into these types of things um

837
00:30:26,789 --> 00:30:25,520
a-tip was

838
00:30:27,669 --> 00:30:26,799
just to see if these things were a

839
00:30:30,470 --> 00:30:27,679
threat

840
00:30:33,110 --> 00:30:30,480
and uh that was just a compartmentalized

841
00:30:35,190 --> 00:30:33,120
need to know type of uh framework uh the

842
00:30:37,669 --> 00:30:35,200
phenomenology desk

843
00:30:39,990 --> 00:30:37,679
is on the fifth floor of the pentagon

844
00:30:41,909 --> 00:30:40,000
and uh i know it's called a desk uh

845
00:30:43,430 --> 00:30:41,919
that's kind of throw people off you

846
00:30:45,110 --> 00:30:43,440
would expect to see

847
00:30:47,269 --> 00:30:45,120
one or two people behind a desk but

848
00:30:48,950 --> 00:30:47,279
these are about 200 people that have

849
00:30:50,389 --> 00:30:48,960
been highly active in the subject for

850
00:30:51,510 --> 00:30:50,399
decades now

851
00:30:52,470 --> 00:30:51,520
and

852
00:30:54,230 --> 00:30:52,480
they

853
00:30:56,310 --> 00:30:54,240
operate various ways

854
00:30:58,950 --> 00:30:56,320
i had a friend of mine help me put the

855
00:31:01,669 --> 00:30:58,960
names and dossiers on the uh on google

856
00:31:04,470 --> 00:31:01,679
so people can look that up and

857
00:31:05,750 --> 00:31:04,480
hopefully it's not taken down again but

858
00:31:08,549 --> 00:31:05,760
it does have

859
00:31:11,590 --> 00:31:08,559
you know like a blue jay would be uh

860
00:31:13,430 --> 00:31:11,600
geneticist his name was uh christopher

861
00:31:14,230 --> 00:31:13,440
dr christopher greene

862
00:31:15,990 --> 00:31:14,240
um

863
00:31:19,029 --> 00:31:16,000
you know and it has a dossier of his

864
00:31:20,710 --> 00:31:19,039
career at one time he was the the head

865
00:31:23,110 --> 00:31:20,720
of

866
00:31:25,269 --> 00:31:23,120
the phenomenology desk but

867
00:31:27,830 --> 00:31:25,279
he's since gone retired and uh he's

868
00:31:30,389 --> 00:31:27,840
actually doing oversight at stanford

869
00:31:31,990 --> 00:31:30,399
university on experiencer studies so

870
00:31:34,789 --> 00:31:32,000
when people say that our officials

871
00:31:37,110 --> 00:31:34,799
aren't uh interested in

872
00:31:38,789 --> 00:31:37,120
in people like me they're dead wrong

873
00:31:40,710 --> 00:31:38,799
they just want to keep everything hush

874
00:31:41,330 --> 00:31:40,720
up right

875
00:31:42,549 --> 00:31:41,340
so true

876
00:31:43,990 --> 00:31:42,559
[Music]

877
00:31:45,909 --> 00:31:44,000
and

878
00:31:48,149 --> 00:31:45,919
can we get into the group of elite

879
00:31:49,669 --> 00:31:48,159
scientists who advise the united states

880
00:31:53,830 --> 00:31:49,679
government on matters of science and

881
00:31:57,909 --> 00:31:56,070
well there's there's a lot of groups i'm

882
00:32:00,630 --> 00:31:57,919
not sure specifically which one you're

883
00:32:01,430 --> 00:32:00,640
talking about maybe the jason society or

884
00:32:03,909 --> 00:32:01,440
yep

885
00:32:06,070 --> 00:32:03,919
exactly yes sir

886
00:32:09,269 --> 00:32:06,080
yeah jason is uh

887
00:32:11,590 --> 00:32:09,279
um i haven't met any of them but i had

888
00:32:13,190 --> 00:32:11,600
high suspicion that they were involved

889
00:32:15,430 --> 00:32:13,200
in this subject i mean you want to take

890
00:32:17,590 --> 00:32:15,440
the the smartest advisors in the world

891
00:32:18,950 --> 00:32:17,600
and leave them out of a national

892
00:32:21,590 --> 00:32:18,960
security subject that would be

893
00:32:23,590 --> 00:32:21,600
absolutely nuts so

894
00:32:26,710 --> 00:32:23,600
but they're actually named after

895
00:32:29,909 --> 00:32:26,720
july august september october november

896
00:32:32,630 --> 00:32:29,919
i.e jason and uh those are the times of

897
00:32:33,750 --> 00:32:32,640
years they they actually all meet up and

898
00:32:34,710 --> 00:32:33,760
discuss

899
00:32:35,909 --> 00:32:34,720
uh

900
00:32:37,830 --> 00:32:35,919
you know

901
00:32:39,029 --> 00:32:37,840
all the things that uh

902
00:32:40,710 --> 00:32:39,039
pertain to

903
00:32:42,470 --> 00:32:40,720
um

904
00:32:43,509 --> 00:32:42,480
many different subjects you know climate

905
00:32:46,310 --> 00:32:43,519
change

906
00:32:49,190 --> 00:32:46,320
uh ufology itself and and so many other

907
00:32:50,789 --> 00:32:49,200
things and uh i've been in high suspect

908
00:32:51,509 --> 00:32:50,799
that uh they've been involved with the

909
00:32:53,909 --> 00:32:51,519
uh

910
00:32:55,990 --> 00:32:53,919
phenomenology desk for

911
00:32:57,269 --> 00:32:56,000
for at least a couple of decades now but

912
00:33:00,149 --> 00:32:57,279
uh pretty much some of the smartest

913
00:33:02,070 --> 00:33:00,159
people you'll you'll meet yeah

914
00:33:04,149 --> 00:33:02,080
um

915
00:33:06,310 --> 00:33:04,159
so cool we we do have to have these

916
00:33:08,630 --> 00:33:06,320
things you know a lot of times we'll

917
00:33:11,269 --> 00:33:08,640
bring a philosopher from another country

918
00:33:13,029 --> 00:33:11,279
and sit them down in a a

919
00:33:14,549 --> 00:33:13,039
a skiff and

920
00:33:16,070 --> 00:33:14,559
just have their

921
00:33:17,750 --> 00:33:16,080
um of course you have a lot of

922
00:33:19,509 --> 00:33:17,760
scientists you know neuroscience

923
00:33:21,350 --> 00:33:19,519
scientists psychologists you have all

924
00:33:22,230 --> 00:33:21,360
these things but even a philosopher can

925
00:33:24,710 --> 00:33:22,240
look at

926
00:33:26,870 --> 00:33:24,720
these upcoming problems that we have

927
00:33:28,870 --> 00:33:26,880
uh countrywide and worldwide and and

928
00:33:30,310 --> 00:33:28,880
maybe give their two cents and i mean

929
00:33:31,269 --> 00:33:30,320
that's how these

930
00:33:33,190 --> 00:33:31,279
um

931
00:33:34,470 --> 00:33:33,200
you know these types of meetings work

932
00:33:36,470 --> 00:33:34,480
but uh

933
00:33:38,870 --> 00:33:36,480
um i think it's

934
00:33:40,149 --> 00:33:38,880
just incredible how little they have

935
00:33:42,870 --> 00:33:40,159
found out

936
00:33:43,909 --> 00:33:42,880
about um our visitors

937
00:33:45,430 --> 00:33:43,919
right

938
00:33:47,669 --> 00:33:45,440
so true

939
00:33:49,350 --> 00:33:47,679
and yeah i'm i'm with you i'm kind of a

940
00:33:52,549 --> 00:33:49,360
big fan of it as well i mean it's

941
00:33:54,230 --> 00:33:52,559
something it's an expansion of things

942
00:33:56,149 --> 00:33:54,240
that we need to look into and i mean

943
00:33:58,710 --> 00:33:56,159
consciousness is really at the center of

944
00:34:03,830 --> 00:34:02,070
it is it's a big deal

945
00:34:06,070 --> 00:34:03,840
it's huge i mean

946
00:34:08,790 --> 00:34:06,080
every hundred years we believe we've

947
00:34:11,109 --> 00:34:08,800
reached the the pinnacle of humanity

948
00:34:12,710 --> 00:34:11,119
you know maybe we can vent a couple of

949
00:34:14,950 --> 00:34:12,720
more things in the next 10 years but

950
00:34:16,550 --> 00:34:14,960
right now we're at the pinnacle of

951
00:34:19,109 --> 00:34:16,560
you know humanity and every hundred

952
00:34:21,430 --> 00:34:19,119
years we're wrong we're absolutely wrong

953
00:34:23,589 --> 00:34:21,440
and it's foolish to think uh you know

954
00:34:25,990 --> 00:34:23,599
that we're not going to

955
00:34:27,669 --> 00:34:26,000
step into this i mean right now

956
00:34:30,470 --> 00:34:27,679
whether people notice this or not

957
00:34:31,990 --> 00:34:30,480
disclosure is happening in

958
00:34:33,349 --> 00:34:32,000
what they call a weathering

959
00:34:35,030 --> 00:34:33,359
quote-unquote

960
00:34:36,389 --> 00:34:35,040
and the weathering is a very slow

961
00:34:39,589 --> 00:34:36,399
integration

962
00:34:42,389 --> 00:34:39,599
of so many different aspects into the

963
00:34:44,389 --> 00:34:42,399
public in a very slow cycling type of

964
00:34:46,950 --> 00:34:44,399
way where it doesn't upset too many

965
00:34:49,030 --> 00:34:46,960
people and maybe intrigues them into

966
00:34:50,790 --> 00:34:49,040
looking into the fact that maybe it's

967
00:34:52,149 --> 00:34:50,800
their idea that they're looking into

968
00:34:54,389 --> 00:34:52,159
this type of thing

969
00:34:57,270 --> 00:34:54,399
um you know which is

970
00:34:59,589 --> 00:34:57,280
obviously an operation but

971
00:35:01,510 --> 00:34:59,599
i was pulled aside

972
00:35:03,349 --> 00:35:01,520
to meet with

973
00:35:05,109 --> 00:35:03,359
i was living with travis walton at the

974
00:35:06,790 --> 00:35:05,119
time and audrey hewitt

975
00:35:08,550 --> 00:35:06,800
uh he lives in snowflake of course

976
00:35:11,190 --> 00:35:08,560
arizona but he moved in with me and

977
00:35:13,190 --> 00:35:11,200
audrey because they had fallen in love

978
00:35:15,510 --> 00:35:13,200
and um so we were doing a lot of this

979
00:35:17,430 --> 00:35:15,520
work back then and you know hanging out

980
00:35:19,670 --> 00:35:17,440
cutting up just being friends

981
00:35:21,349 --> 00:35:19,680
um but we are invited to the i don't

982
00:35:24,670 --> 00:35:21,359
know if you've heard the allagash twins

983
00:35:28,630 --> 00:35:24,680
uh jack and jim weiner yeah yeah

984
00:35:30,550 --> 00:35:28,640
1972 allagash abduction maine

985
00:35:33,750 --> 00:35:30,560
those poor guys i mean it was great to

986
00:35:35,670 --> 00:35:33,760
meet them um we we did eventually go out

987
00:35:37,109 --> 00:35:35,680
and meet with this guy bob

988
00:35:39,670 --> 00:35:37,119
and um

989
00:35:41,270 --> 00:35:39,680
he pulled out a 8x10 manila envelope and

990
00:35:43,030 --> 00:35:41,280
said have you guys seen anything like

991
00:35:44,950 --> 00:35:43,040
this and i can tell it was gun camera

992
00:35:49,430 --> 00:35:44,960
footage well

993
00:35:51,750 --> 00:35:49,440
so i pulled out my 2013 uh flip phone

994
00:35:52,870 --> 00:35:51,760
hey i'm i'm in my 40s you know i didn't

995
00:35:54,630 --> 00:35:52,880
want to

996
00:35:57,349 --> 00:35:54,640
get into the whole smartphone thing but

997
00:35:58,710 --> 00:35:57,359
uh i eventually did i hear you but uh i

998
00:36:01,190 --> 00:35:58,720
pulled out my little flip phone and

999
00:36:03,030 --> 00:36:01,200
showed him a better picture than he had

1000
00:36:05,670 --> 00:36:03,040
and you know he tells me he said do you

1001
00:36:06,950 --> 00:36:05,680
you mean to tell me that my 15 million

1002
00:36:11,829 --> 00:36:06,960
dollar

1003
00:36:14,150 --> 00:36:11,839
camera can't get a better picture than

1004
00:36:16,710 --> 00:36:14,160
you you know and i said well there's a

1005
00:36:17,910 --> 00:36:16,720
difference between chasing it in the sky

1006
00:36:20,310 --> 00:36:17,920
and this thing looking like it's going

1007
00:36:23,030 --> 00:36:20,320
to land in your yard you know

1008
00:36:25,190 --> 00:36:23,040
um but he was upset about it

1009
00:36:27,589 --> 00:36:25,200
and he immediately wanted to you know go

1010
00:36:29,589 --> 00:36:27,599
outside and talk and here i am in the

1011
00:36:31,270 --> 00:36:29,599
woods there's a cabin

1012
00:36:33,510 --> 00:36:31,280
and i'm following this intelligence

1013
00:36:36,630 --> 00:36:33,520
officer with a gun on his hip into the

1014
00:36:38,310 --> 00:36:36,640
woods you know and that i gotta say i

1015
00:36:40,630 --> 00:36:38,320
didn't feel too smart at that moment you

1016
00:36:42,710 --> 00:36:40,640
know i'm thinking oh my god you know

1017
00:36:46,069 --> 00:36:42,720
because he did seem really upset

1018
00:36:48,390 --> 00:36:46,079
and he did he told me in 2017

1019
00:36:51,190 --> 00:36:48,400
that they were going to have a

1020
00:36:53,910 --> 00:36:51,200
new york time release and um you know

1021
00:36:56,230 --> 00:36:53,920
disclosure is going to start

1022
00:36:57,990 --> 00:36:56,240
the hard part about that and it really

1023
00:37:00,150 --> 00:36:58,000
bothered him i could tell

1024
00:37:02,630 --> 00:37:00,160
was that it was going to be pushed for a

1025
00:37:05,109 --> 00:37:02,640
war type agenda a war against the green

1026
00:37:05,990 --> 00:37:05,119
bug he said people like you with a solid

1027
00:37:07,750 --> 00:37:06,000
case

1028
00:37:09,990 --> 00:37:07,760
know what you're talking about need to

1029
00:37:10,870 --> 00:37:10,000
get out there and and combat this

1030
00:37:12,950 --> 00:37:10,880
because

1031
00:37:15,670 --> 00:37:12,960
uh they're gonna want people to vote on

1032
00:37:16,950 --> 00:37:15,680
this type of uh interstellar war he said

1033
00:37:19,829 --> 00:37:16,960
it's wrong

1034
00:37:21,109 --> 00:37:19,839
and i asked him i said bob what

1035
00:37:23,990 --> 00:37:21,119
what kind of

1036
00:37:26,069 --> 00:37:24,000
twisted mind would look at this subject

1037
00:37:27,670 --> 00:37:26,079
and think let's just go to war we don't

1038
00:37:29,270 --> 00:37:27,680
know anything about it let's go to war

1039
00:37:30,950 --> 00:37:29,280
exactly and he said eric you know when

1040
00:37:32,630 --> 00:37:30,960
your mind's shaped like a hammer every

1041
00:37:35,030 --> 00:37:32,640
problem has to look like a nail that's

1042
00:37:37,109 --> 00:37:35,040
just their our only way of thinking

1043
00:37:39,109 --> 00:37:37,119
you know it's the military

1044
00:37:39,910 --> 00:37:39,119
and i thought oh my god you know that's

1045
00:37:45,589 --> 00:37:39,920
just

1046
00:37:49,990 --> 00:37:45,599
it makes sense to them

1047
00:37:50,870 --> 00:37:50,000
but um but yeah bob i believe past of uh

1048
00:37:53,349 --> 00:37:50,880
uh

1049
00:37:55,270 --> 00:37:53,359
colon cancer about five five or six

1050
00:37:58,069 --> 00:37:55,280
months later after that i didn't know

1051
00:38:00,390 --> 00:37:58,079
until recently when i looked him up but

1052
00:38:03,510 --> 00:38:00,400
it was unfortunate but he seemed to be

1053
00:38:06,230 --> 00:38:03,520
uh one of the only really good patriots

1054
00:38:08,470 --> 00:38:06,240
um that were really passionate about uh

1055
00:38:10,630 --> 00:38:08,480
not making this about war and uh coming

1056
00:38:12,390 --> 00:38:10,640
forward with uh disclosure

1057
00:38:14,310 --> 00:38:12,400
for sure

1058
00:38:17,109 --> 00:38:14,320
and you know we've been hearing about

1059
00:38:19,990 --> 00:38:17,119
this type of thing ever since werner von

1060
00:38:23,349 --> 00:38:20,000
braun and project bluebeam and i mean

1061
00:38:25,829 --> 00:38:23,359
this is not new but it it does seem that

1062
00:38:29,109 --> 00:38:25,839
disclosure has been a very long slow

1063
00:38:31,030 --> 00:38:29,119
process and that would make sense

1064
00:38:34,390 --> 00:38:31,040
i wanted i wanted to get a little bit

1065
00:38:36,790 --> 00:38:34,400
into um the piezoelectric effects and

1066
00:38:39,270 --> 00:38:36,800
the crystalline structure of the pineal

1067
00:38:41,430 --> 00:38:39,280
gland and you're able to actually make a

1068
00:38:43,990 --> 00:38:41,440
sound with your brain which has actually

1069
00:38:46,470 --> 00:38:44,000
been recorded and proven can we get into

1070
00:38:47,910 --> 00:38:46,480
the logistics of that a little bit yeah

1071
00:38:49,829 --> 00:38:47,920
this is the part where your audience

1072
00:38:53,030 --> 00:38:49,839
rolls their eyes i think it's awesome

1073
00:38:55,430 --> 00:38:53,040
yeah i don't like to uh you know

1074
00:38:58,230 --> 00:38:55,440
talk about it until unless i'm in front

1075
00:39:00,470 --> 00:38:58,240
of uh in front of the actual person but

1076
00:39:02,230 --> 00:39:00,480
yeah yeah i guess there's enough samples

1077
00:39:04,950 --> 00:39:02,240
out there where people can uh check it

1078
00:39:07,030 --> 00:39:04,960
out on youtube and maybe debunk or do

1079
00:39:07,829 --> 00:39:07,040
what they want to do but it is actually

1080
00:39:09,430 --> 00:39:07,839
real

1081
00:39:10,390 --> 00:39:09,440
it happened to me after i got knocked

1082
00:39:11,990 --> 00:39:10,400
down

1083
00:39:12,870 --> 00:39:12,000
it was one of the reasons why i thought

1084
00:39:15,750 --> 00:39:12,880
maybe

1085
00:39:17,829 --> 00:39:15,760
i had some sort of a tumor or brain

1086
00:39:20,390 --> 00:39:17,839
problem injury

1087
00:39:22,790 --> 00:39:20,400
come to find out that

1088
00:39:24,310 --> 00:39:22,800
i slipped into

1089
00:39:27,270 --> 00:39:24,320
what you might call a

1090
00:39:29,030 --> 00:39:27,280
kundalini experience where

1091
00:39:31,349 --> 00:39:29,040
things became very spiritual for me i

1092
00:39:33,670 --> 00:39:31,359
didn't put on a robe and shave my head

1093
00:39:35,270 --> 00:39:33,680
and you know walk around all funny i'm

1094
00:39:36,870 --> 00:39:35,280
an american i'm gonna eat my hamburgers

1095
00:39:39,829 --> 00:39:36,880
and bacon and

1096
00:39:42,069 --> 00:39:39,839
drink my soda but uh i i did i learned

1097
00:39:43,030 --> 00:39:42,079
how to meditate and kind of tap into

1098
00:39:44,950 --> 00:39:43,040
things

1099
00:39:46,230 --> 00:39:44,960
that i never thought possible i i was

1100
00:39:47,990 --> 00:39:46,240
just amazed

1101
00:39:49,910 --> 00:39:48,000
by all of that but

1102
00:39:52,230 --> 00:39:49,920
being able to you know tap into that

1103
00:39:53,510 --> 00:39:52,240
code of containment basal ganglia

1104
00:39:56,710 --> 00:39:53,520
and

1105
00:39:59,670 --> 00:39:56,720
really rock the antenna you can hear it

1106
00:40:00,950 --> 00:39:59,680
audibly uh with a microphone you know or

1107
00:40:03,349 --> 00:40:00,960
if you want to listen to it with a

1108
00:40:05,109 --> 00:40:03,359
stethoscope or

1109
00:40:06,230 --> 00:40:05,119
even if i just put my forehead on your

1110
00:40:08,230 --> 00:40:06,240
forehead

1111
00:40:10,710 --> 00:40:08,240
uh you'll be able to feel it

1112
00:40:11,589 --> 00:40:10,720
per second and the control is actually

1113
00:40:13,910 --> 00:40:11,599
better

1114
00:40:16,550 --> 00:40:13,920
than i use my own voice so

1115
00:40:18,550 --> 00:40:16,560
um it's uh it's pretty cool it's fun i

1116
00:40:20,230 --> 00:40:18,560
listen to music add to it

1117
00:40:23,510 --> 00:40:20,240
you know stuff like that

1118
00:40:25,349 --> 00:40:23,520
but um but yeah it's going to take a lot

1119
00:40:27,349 --> 00:40:25,359
of money and a lot of study

1120
00:40:29,109 --> 00:40:27,359
to find out

1121
00:40:31,670 --> 00:40:29,119
how deep this really goes you know

1122
00:40:33,589 --> 00:40:31,680
because most experiencers are pushing

1123
00:40:34,630 --> 00:40:33,599
out about 30 hertz they're not aware of

1124
00:40:38,950 --> 00:40:34,640
it

1125
00:40:40,550 --> 00:40:38,960
get a high enough electromagnetic field

1126
00:40:43,670 --> 00:40:40,560
and your consciousness there and it's

1127
00:40:46,390 --> 00:40:43,680
really going uh you'd be able to uh to

1128
00:40:48,470 --> 00:40:46,400
access that and

1129
00:40:51,349 --> 00:40:48,480
i've seen enough doctors look at me like

1130
00:40:54,710 --> 00:40:51,359
a green bug and i i still don't have a

1131
00:40:56,790 --> 00:40:54,720
diagnosis so it's got to be

1132
00:40:59,910 --> 00:40:56,800
one of these special access programs or

1133
00:41:01,829 --> 00:40:59,920
universities because i do i hound

1134
00:41:03,670 --> 00:41:01,839
universities to uh look into this

1135
00:41:07,430 --> 00:41:03,680
subject

1136
00:41:10,309 --> 00:41:07,440
so frustrating ryan to know the truth

1137
00:41:12,390 --> 00:41:10,319
live in it you know yeah and

1138
00:41:14,150 --> 00:41:12,400
try to contact these academics and say

1139
00:41:15,430 --> 00:41:14,160
look you know but once your foot gets in

1140
00:41:17,589 --> 00:41:15,440
the door

1141
00:41:19,190 --> 00:41:17,599
you know with a major university what

1142
00:41:21,430 --> 00:41:19,200
you can do is you can play that and say

1143
00:41:23,349 --> 00:41:21,440
you know what uh this university over

1144
00:41:24,790 --> 00:41:23,359
here in texas you know they're way ahead

1145
00:41:26,950 --> 00:41:24,800
of you and you're not even looking into

1146
00:41:28,390 --> 00:41:26,960
it here's some files take a look you

1147
00:41:31,430 --> 00:41:28,400
know for sure and that kind of makes

1148
00:41:33,270 --> 00:41:31,440
them jealous because they love to

1149
00:41:35,670 --> 00:41:33,280
be competitive with one another you know

1150
00:41:37,430 --> 00:41:35,680
as far as universities so um

1151
00:41:39,270 --> 00:41:37,440
that's been helpful a lot

1152
00:41:41,190 --> 00:41:39,280
and uh i've been able to give

1153
00:41:42,790 --> 00:41:41,200
information where

1154
00:41:44,470 --> 00:41:42,800
it it kind of

1155
00:41:46,069 --> 00:41:44,480
dives off and it stops and they're like

1156
00:41:47,910 --> 00:41:46,079
well we found a lot of cool stuff but

1157
00:41:49,589 --> 00:41:47,920
where do we go from here and i i can say

1158
00:41:50,630 --> 00:41:49,599
well okay let's let's look at this part

1159
00:41:52,790 --> 00:41:50,640
of the brain

1160
00:41:54,390 --> 00:41:52,800
and see why this is possible so i'm kind

1161
00:41:56,870 --> 00:41:54,400
of taking myself

1162
00:41:58,950 --> 00:41:56,880
and essentially back engineering so i

1163
00:42:00,550 --> 00:41:58,960
can find out the answers and science can

1164
00:42:03,109 --> 00:42:00,560
too maybe it'll be in uh you know

1165
00:42:05,190 --> 00:42:03,119
history books for kids one day

1166
00:42:07,510 --> 00:42:05,200
i think so i know

1167
00:42:09,670 --> 00:42:07,520
that it should be i know disclosure has

1168
00:42:11,910 --> 00:42:09,680
to be slow because

1169
00:42:13,589 --> 00:42:11,920
the way it hit me i was a skeptic i

1170
00:42:15,270 --> 00:42:13,599
didn't believe in that stuff never even

1171
00:42:17,510 --> 00:42:15,280
looked into the subject

1172
00:42:19,829 --> 00:42:17,520
and it just destroyed my world view

1173
00:42:22,390 --> 00:42:19,839
overnight so that's really destructive i

1174
00:42:25,910 --> 00:42:22,400
mean that's um that's edging towards

1175
00:42:27,990 --> 00:42:25,920
suicide that's edging toward you know um

1176
00:42:28,790 --> 00:42:28,000
full-blown depression and all kinds of

1177
00:42:30,550 --> 00:42:28,800
things

1178
00:42:33,910 --> 00:42:30,560
and it's been a really rough road for me

1179
00:42:36,309 --> 00:42:33,920
to accept these things and uh i gotta

1180
00:42:38,390 --> 00:42:36,319
say i still have that skeptical snap in

1181
00:42:40,870 --> 00:42:38,400
the back of my mind um

1182
00:42:44,470 --> 00:42:40,880
that i just leave files in until i see

1183
00:42:46,630 --> 00:42:44,480
proof evidence documents something um

1184
00:42:47,910 --> 00:42:46,640
but uh but yeah i mean in the very

1185
00:42:50,470 --> 00:42:47,920
beginning

1186
00:42:52,390 --> 00:42:50,480
all i wanted to know was the truth and

1187
00:42:55,270 --> 00:42:52,400
yeah youtube ology is not the best way

1188
00:42:57,829 --> 00:42:55,280
to go about that but um

1189
00:43:00,150 --> 00:42:57,839
but yeah i've dug and dug and dug i've

1190
00:43:01,990 --> 00:43:00,160
read every document i can get my hands

1191
00:43:04,710 --> 00:43:02,000
on sometimes i'll go to a conference and

1192
00:43:06,470 --> 00:43:04,720
do a talk and uh

1193
00:43:08,630 --> 00:43:06,480
almost every time somebody will ask me

1194
00:43:10,470 --> 00:43:08,640
to go to their room you know a

1195
00:43:12,710 --> 00:43:10,480
high official or something like that and

1196
00:43:14,390 --> 00:43:12,720
show me some documents they have ndas

1197
00:43:16,309 --> 00:43:14,400
they can't talk about this kind of stuff

1198
00:43:18,790 --> 00:43:16,319
but uh but i can

1199
00:43:20,069 --> 00:43:18,800
so going over and and being able to meet

1200
00:43:21,990 --> 00:43:20,079
these people and

1201
00:43:23,750 --> 00:43:22,000
looking at some of this uh information

1202
00:43:24,950 --> 00:43:23,760
is just mind-blowing

1203
00:43:27,589 --> 00:43:24,960
yeah

1204
00:43:29,270 --> 00:43:27,599
and it's it like you said it's it's very

1205
00:43:30,470 --> 00:43:29,280
immersive like when it

1206
00:43:32,950 --> 00:43:30,480
it it's

1207
00:43:35,109 --> 00:43:32,960
it really just takes hold of of

1208
00:43:37,750 --> 00:43:35,119
experiencers and

1209
00:43:39,190 --> 00:43:37,760
let's get into um

1210
00:43:41,270 --> 00:43:39,200
something that fascinates me which is

1211
00:43:44,390 --> 00:43:41,280
the egyptian correlations to the brain i

1212
00:43:46,950 --> 00:43:44,400
find it amazing uh some of the

1213
00:43:48,150 --> 00:43:46,960
uh the chambers the pineal gland etc can

1214
00:43:49,670 --> 00:43:48,160
you explain that a little bit to

1215
00:43:52,150 --> 00:43:49,680
listeners

1216
00:43:53,510 --> 00:43:52,160
i you know i it would have to be

1217
00:43:55,430 --> 00:43:53,520
speculation

1218
00:43:58,230 --> 00:43:55,440
but the way you see the piezoelectric

1219
00:44:00,470 --> 00:43:58,240
effect going on in the pineal gland and

1220
00:44:01,589 --> 00:44:00,480
reaching out to the catapultamen basal

1221
00:44:04,390 --> 00:44:01,599
ganglia

1222
00:44:05,750 --> 00:44:04,400
it almost reminds you of the

1223
00:44:07,589 --> 00:44:05,760
the same

1224
00:44:10,710 --> 00:44:07,599
technological setting

1225
00:44:12,630 --> 00:44:10,720
of the pyramids itself because you have

1226
00:44:14,150 --> 00:44:12,640
the king and queen's chamber they're

1227
00:44:16,550 --> 00:44:14,160
reaching out

1228
00:44:18,150 --> 00:44:16,560
um you know you have this water

1229
00:44:19,589 --> 00:44:18,160
underneath which there's water

1230
00:44:21,589 --> 00:44:19,599
circulation of the brain you have

1231
00:44:23,670 --> 00:44:21,599
horus's eye which is exactly what the

1232
00:44:25,990 --> 00:44:23,680
pineal setting looks like

1233
00:44:27,030 --> 00:44:26,000
and uh it's all kind of painting a

1234
00:44:29,670 --> 00:44:27,040
picture

1235
00:44:31,430 --> 00:44:29,680
just just from my side of the fence yeah

1236
00:44:32,470 --> 00:44:31,440
because of everything i've seen and been

1237
00:44:34,150 --> 00:44:32,480
through

1238
00:44:35,670 --> 00:44:34,160
and can experience

1239
00:44:38,309 --> 00:44:35,680
that that

1240
00:44:41,030 --> 00:44:38,319
this thing it looks more like a machine

1241
00:44:43,510 --> 00:44:41,040
of of consciousness than than anything

1242
00:44:45,750 --> 00:44:43,520
ever proposed to me before

1243
00:44:47,349 --> 00:44:45,760
um honestly it's still a mystery you

1244
00:44:49,349 --> 00:44:47,359
know but uh

1245
00:44:50,470 --> 00:44:49,359
you know looking at it uh

1246
00:44:52,790 --> 00:44:50,480
believe it or not

1247
00:44:55,270 --> 00:44:52,800
i don't really converse a whole lot with

1248
00:44:58,069 --> 00:44:55,280
ufologists i talk to archaeologists i

1249
00:45:00,950 --> 00:44:58,079
talk to quantum physicists i talk to uh

1250
00:45:02,870 --> 00:45:00,960
um botany experts i mean it's incredible

1251
00:45:06,230 --> 00:45:02,880
what you learn about nature right and

1252
00:45:08,950 --> 00:45:06,240
the possibility that this is a natural

1253
00:45:10,309 --> 00:45:08,960
symbiotic circle somehow and we just now

1254
00:45:11,990 --> 00:45:10,319
really

1255
00:45:14,069 --> 00:45:12,000
started to begin to accept it as a

1256
00:45:16,150 --> 00:45:14,079
western society um

1257
00:45:18,470 --> 00:45:16,160
but um but you've got to look at it in

1258
00:45:20,790 --> 00:45:18,480
every direction possible because you

1259
00:45:22,630 --> 00:45:20,800
might uh you might miss you know the

1260
00:45:23,750 --> 00:45:22,640
most important detail and trying to

1261
00:45:26,069 --> 00:45:23,760
understand

1262
00:45:27,670 --> 00:45:26,079
absolutely one certain thing i know for

1263
00:45:29,990 --> 00:45:27,680
sure is we're not alone

1264
00:45:32,309 --> 00:45:30,000
you know i don't know where they're from

1265
00:45:34,790 --> 00:45:32,319
i know they've been here for a long time

1266
00:45:36,870 --> 00:45:34,800
uh and i don't know their names or or

1267
00:45:37,750 --> 00:45:36,880
what species they are i know people like

1268
00:45:40,309 --> 00:45:37,760
to

1269
00:45:43,109 --> 00:45:40,319
call call them grays or or what have you

1270
00:45:45,589 --> 00:45:43,119
but uh they're definitely not pretty and

1271
00:45:48,309 --> 00:45:45,599
uh they have technology that looks like

1272
00:45:50,470 --> 00:45:48,319
magic to us

1273
00:45:52,630 --> 00:45:50,480
and i i think i'm with you eric i think

1274
00:45:54,470 --> 00:45:52,640
so much gets lost in the semantics when

1275
00:45:56,790 --> 00:45:54,480
people start naming it and trying to

1276
00:45:58,550 --> 00:45:56,800
argue about what and you know

1277
00:45:59,589 --> 00:45:58,560
that type of thing

1278
00:46:01,430 --> 00:45:59,599
um

1279
00:46:03,030 --> 00:46:01,440
kind of heading back a little bit in

1280
00:46:07,910 --> 00:46:03,040
time

1281
00:46:09,670 --> 00:46:07,920
mitchell uh what interesting information

1282
00:46:11,270 --> 00:46:09,680
was he able to share with you before he

1283
00:46:12,870 --> 00:46:11,280
passed that would have been an amazing

1284
00:46:15,670 --> 00:46:12,880
experience

1285
00:46:17,990 --> 00:46:15,680
oh man you know believe it or not

1286
00:46:19,750 --> 00:46:18,000
we were working on

1287
00:46:24,230 --> 00:46:19,760
um the beginning of the free

1288
00:46:27,750 --> 00:46:24,240
organization um and i first met um

1289
00:46:30,390 --> 00:46:27,760
um josh ray hernandez

1290
00:46:32,790 --> 00:46:30,400
amazing man you know great guy you want

1291
00:46:35,510 --> 00:46:32,800
to talk about a go-getter uh this man

1292
00:46:38,150 --> 00:46:35,520
will work and and not sleep constantly

1293
00:46:40,150 --> 00:46:38,160
and and get done what he needs to do

1294
00:46:41,829 --> 00:46:40,160
i'm surprised he's only a tax lawyer

1295
00:46:44,710 --> 00:46:41,839
because you know he belongs in a place

1296
00:46:45,990 --> 00:46:44,720
where all his gifts can kind of come out

1297
00:46:48,470 --> 00:46:46,000
but

1298
00:46:50,550 --> 00:46:48,480
i did say that i would uh you know

1299
00:46:52,309 --> 00:46:50,560
maybe consult or just be there you know

1300
00:46:53,829 --> 00:46:52,319
during meetings and stuff like that so i

1301
00:46:56,150 --> 00:46:53,839
got to know edgar

1302
00:46:58,950 --> 00:46:56,160
and on tuesday nights he'd call me up

1303
00:47:01,190 --> 00:46:58,960
and say you got your scotch and uh

1304
00:47:03,030 --> 00:47:01,200
of course i you know i'm pretty much

1305
00:47:05,829 --> 00:47:03,040
broke i spend all my time you know

1306
00:47:07,990 --> 00:47:05,839
helping people like myself and uh spend

1307
00:47:09,430 --> 00:47:08,000
very little time at work just enough to

1308
00:47:11,589 --> 00:47:09,440
pay the bills and maybe some ramen

1309
00:47:13,750 --> 00:47:11,599
noodles you know so yeah i would always

1310
00:47:15,670 --> 00:47:13,760
have my scotch but guys

1311
00:47:18,309 --> 00:47:15,680
be honest it was a beer

1312
00:47:19,190 --> 00:47:18,319
sure sure

1313
00:47:20,069 --> 00:47:19,200
but

1314
00:47:24,630 --> 00:47:20,079
we

1315
00:47:27,349 --> 00:47:24,640
honestly didn't

1316
00:47:28,309 --> 00:47:27,359
speak a whole lot about ufos we really

1317
00:47:29,109 --> 00:47:28,319
didn't

1318
00:47:30,309 --> 00:47:29,119
when

1319
00:47:31,190 --> 00:47:30,319
edgar

1320
00:47:33,270 --> 00:47:31,200
first

1321
00:47:35,670 --> 00:47:33,280
once once his rocket actually made it

1322
00:47:37,430 --> 00:47:35,680
into space outside of the atmosphere and

1323
00:47:38,470 --> 00:47:37,440
everything calmed down

1324
00:47:40,230 --> 00:47:38,480
because it was

1325
00:47:43,990 --> 00:47:40,240
really hectic on the way up everything's

1326
00:47:46,069 --> 00:47:44,000
shaking and rattling a very scary thing

1327
00:47:47,589 --> 00:47:46,079
but astronauts trained so well for that

1328
00:47:49,270 --> 00:47:47,599
that you know they stay calm and

1329
00:47:50,390 --> 00:47:49,280
everything's fine but once everything

1330
00:47:52,230 --> 00:47:50,400
cleared

1331
00:47:55,030 --> 00:47:52,240
and he was in the calmness of space he

1332
00:47:56,150 --> 00:47:55,040
just looked back into that porthole

1333
00:47:58,549 --> 00:47:56,160
and

1334
00:48:02,230 --> 00:47:58,559
realized the ridiculousness of this this

1335
00:48:03,910 --> 00:48:02,240
beautiful blue natural planet in this

1336
00:48:05,670 --> 00:48:03,920
infinite space and then we have all

1337
00:48:07,510 --> 00:48:05,680
these people down here with greed and

1338
00:48:09,430 --> 00:48:07,520
genocide and

1339
00:48:11,670 --> 00:48:09,440
fighting and all these things and it

1340
00:48:14,390 --> 00:48:11,680
just i think for him

1341
00:48:16,630 --> 00:48:14,400
that very particular point was a huge

1342
00:48:19,270 --> 00:48:16,640
epiphany not just to his thought process

1343
00:48:21,349 --> 00:48:19,280
but to his very soul i mean he

1344
00:48:23,910 --> 00:48:21,359
really felt that and when he came back

1345
00:48:25,349 --> 00:48:23,920
it it changed him he was he was a very

1346
00:48:27,510 --> 00:48:25,359
different person

1347
00:48:29,750 --> 00:48:27,520
wow um so

1348
00:48:33,270 --> 00:48:29,760
he really wanted to talk about you know

1349
00:48:34,390 --> 00:48:33,280
depths of uh philosophies and ways of

1350
00:48:36,710 --> 00:48:34,400
seeing things

1351
00:48:38,309 --> 00:48:36,720
he did mention some things like um

1352
00:48:40,150 --> 00:48:38,319
admiral wilson

1353
00:48:41,349 --> 00:48:40,160
where they would uh i believe that was a

1354
00:48:43,750 --> 00:48:41,359
really big

1355
00:48:45,750 --> 00:48:43,760
uh fight in ufology not too long ago i

1356
00:48:47,270 --> 00:48:45,760
try not to pay attention but yeah you'd

1357
00:48:50,069 --> 00:48:47,280
hear about it and i was asked about it a

1358
00:48:51,910 --> 00:48:50,079
few times but that meeting did happen

1359
00:48:54,230 --> 00:48:51,920
you know he told me about it here's not

1360
00:48:55,829 --> 00:48:54,240
the type of person to just live about

1361
00:48:56,630 --> 00:48:55,839
anything

1362
00:48:59,270 --> 00:48:56,640
but

1363
00:49:01,910 --> 00:48:59,280
yeah our department of uh

1364
00:49:03,510 --> 00:49:01,920
foreign technologies was not uh privy to

1365
00:49:05,349 --> 00:49:03,520
the information

1366
00:49:06,950 --> 00:49:05,359
he didn't have a need to know and he's

1367
00:49:08,069 --> 00:49:06,960
the number one person on the planet that

1368
00:49:10,950 --> 00:49:08,079
should know

1369
00:49:12,549 --> 00:49:10,960
uh he also talked about the the 1947

1370
00:49:15,030 --> 00:49:12,559
crash with me

1371
00:49:17,030 --> 00:49:15,040
uh he did say he was in college at the

1372
00:49:18,950 --> 00:49:17,040
time he i don't know a lot of people

1373
00:49:21,589 --> 00:49:18,960
don't don't know this but he's actually

1374
00:49:23,910 --> 00:49:21,599
from roswell oh wow so

1375
00:49:24,790 --> 00:49:23,920
um you know it's very coincidental but

1376
00:49:26,710 --> 00:49:24,800
him

1377
00:49:28,470 --> 00:49:26,720
priming to be an astronaut going to

1378
00:49:31,349 --> 00:49:28,480
college when he got back home he had

1379
00:49:33,270 --> 00:49:31,359
several admirals and people high up uh

1380
00:49:34,870 --> 00:49:33,280
that said edgar

1381
00:49:37,589 --> 00:49:34,880
this thing wasn't from here you know

1382
00:49:39,510 --> 00:49:37,599
they let them know flat out that uh you

1383
00:49:42,470 --> 00:49:39,520
know this crash was real

1384
00:49:45,109 --> 00:49:42,480
um but uh i mean we for sure we talk

1385
00:49:47,349 --> 00:49:45,119
very little about ufos you know it was

1386
00:49:49,109 --> 00:49:47,359
more more of a

1387
00:49:50,870 --> 00:49:49,119
an escape

1388
00:49:53,670 --> 00:49:50,880
type of conversation

1389
00:49:55,430 --> 00:49:53,680
than you know actual business

1390
00:49:58,790 --> 00:49:55,440
probably more important too i think from

1391
00:50:01,190 --> 00:49:58,800
a human standpoint it really is and

1392
00:50:02,790 --> 00:50:01,200
it does it does it seem to you eric that

1393
00:50:04,790 --> 00:50:02,800
ufos

1394
00:50:07,670 --> 00:50:04,800
you hear this from experiencers often

1395
00:50:09,829 --> 00:50:07,680
and i i tend to agree that but does it

1396
00:50:12,069 --> 00:50:09,839
seem to you that ufos follow you no

1397
00:50:15,190 --> 00:50:12,079
matter where you live that geographical

1398
00:50:19,030 --> 00:50:15,200
location is not of importance

1399
00:50:21,829 --> 00:50:19,040
uh yeah that's extremely true um i had a

1400
00:50:23,610 --> 00:50:21,839
i had a wonderful day dream

1401
00:50:25,270 --> 00:50:23,620
in 2014

1402
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[Music]

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in august uh my daughter got accepted to

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uh college in maine

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and so i was happy about that i actually

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used it for an excuse to get the hell

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away so i sold a plot of land

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that i had um

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and it was a really fast sale i was

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happy about that and i packed up that

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car and took off you know i'm going to

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be

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1500 miles away from all of that and i

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can start my my life again i can maybe

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you know put my roots into a normal life

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again you know because people

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they work and they come home and they

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watch football and everything's simple

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and it doesn't have to be so complicated

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and i had this daydream that i can get

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my life back my simple world

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and

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september 1st of 2014

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on the third story deck of my new

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apartment with my new neighbors

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uh they were handing me a

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uh budweiser and nice to meet you we

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weren't allowed to smoke inside so the

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backpack was nice and big and it was uh

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you know a good 60 feet up

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and uh here comes this object through

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the park up over the trees and dipped

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down eye level you know the streets

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right there in front of us and it

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hovered there

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my neighbors began pushing each other

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and taking chairs over and doing

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everything they can to get into the back

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door to get away from this thing because

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it was really close and of course me and

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the kids just stood there

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because we're you know we were used to

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it by then

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i was

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needless to say mortified because

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i knew i had gotten away from everything

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and um that was my first night in maine

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and uh there's just

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it's it's also

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kind

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of difficult to really talk about but

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like if people come from out of state to

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come visit me

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they're gonna have a sighting the night

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before if i'm gonna fly out to um

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let's say you know new jersey

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they're having a sighting over their

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home the night before that happens so

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it's not just a thing that follows you

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if you move it's a thing that follows

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what you're doing

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and

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that's a

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really hard one to swallow but once you

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see it

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every single time

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i've moved i think about nine times

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since

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and it happens every time you know i've

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got pictures from

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las vegas you know south carolina

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maine

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uh kentucky

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everywhere i've been you know and

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sometimes the picture doesn't come from

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me someone will knock on the door and

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say hey i took a picture of this thing

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and it was over your house

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travis and audrey they were at a

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mufon conference in

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las vegas one one weekend

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i didn't know what was going on but

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there were five objects hovering over my

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bedroom a man came outside to smoke he

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filmed him

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and he sent it into channel 5 news

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well this was like midnight i didn't i

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was asleep woke up the next morning

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opened the door because someone was

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knocking and i've got tons of

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microphones just shoving into my front

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door you know hitting me in the face

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and just so many questions and um i just

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closed the door i'm like you know deal

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with you guys one at a time you know

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what's going on i didn't know

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uh what had happened the night before

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but i ended up doing uh like four uh

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radio shows in uh uh downtown portland

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uh maine uh talking about the subject

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which i felt really funny about i mean

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it's 6 30 in the morning

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you know and uh people are driving to

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work they're not going to want to hear

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this kind of stuff but uh you know i

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mean if you got to spread the word

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spread the word

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um but a lot of people in maine talked

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about that at one sighting but

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that's just the kind of thing that

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happens i actually just moved again

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and uh i live in a big they're nice

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apartments it's a big apartment complex

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and

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the entire sky is just cut out of the

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middle of the entire

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complex so it's a perfect place to

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really

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say i'm gonna have to move again when

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this happens you know so yeah but it's

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part of it it's part of it it really is

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it's part of the deal

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it does seem like once you make that

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interaction or connection with i guess

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the universe it's really uh

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it's really impressive and

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lastly as we kind of start to wrap up

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eric uh

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i don't know what direction to take it

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here i guess many people believe that

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governments and other con

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countries including our own have had

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treaties with these entities or beings

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or intelligences

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through your contacts have you heard

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anything along these lines

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unfortunately not and i'm really waiting

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on it i've looked for it

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i know um there was a lot of stock put

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into

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the idea of project serpo where we had

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like a foreign exchange uh student

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program type of thing

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but i've heard about it i've even heard

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you know uh professionals that uh you

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know really dig into the subject talk

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about it as if it's real

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but i've got

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no evidence whatsoever i like i've

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looked

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and

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i've often asked people that want to

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share information with me and you have

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to be careful ryan you have to be

1555
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careful there are people out there

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um among uh intelligence agencies that

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will

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just love to call you up and lie to you

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right i mean you can't take a word from

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these

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you obtain the documents you make sure

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they're real

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and then you can talk to the public

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about it but

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um i think greer had a lot of trouble

1566
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with that uh steven greer because he he

1567
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spoke to so many disinformation agents

1568
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that it kind of really messed things up

1569
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for him even though i believe he was

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uh true to his heart and in getting the

1571
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proper information but

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i have not seen a real document on

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any interaction with the other

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governments and uh and these beings

1575
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exactly now i have seen documents where

1576
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these things are hovering

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over a highly classified base hovering

1578
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over nuclear silos and the silo shutting

1579
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down remotely

1580
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you know seeing this blue beam of light

1581
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that we talked about earlier just go

1582
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down and shut this thing off

1583
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you know dummy warheads in the air that

1584
00:56:46,549 --> 00:56:45,119
they're testing just regular rockets

1585
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will be

1586
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taken out of commission in mid-air you

1587
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know just by using this blue beam of

1588
00:56:53,750 --> 00:56:51,359
light so

1589
00:56:55,190 --> 00:56:53,760
this stuff is uh this blue stuff is

1590
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really smart

1591
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to say the least but

1592
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i've seen plenty of documents but none

1593
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with their a

1594
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a really

1595
00:57:09,349 --> 00:57:06,559
cohesive conversation you know a

1596
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any way of communication whatsoever

1597
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from the government to them i haven't

1598
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haven't really seen it i'm looking for

1599
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it though i

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in some ways i hope it's true you know

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to

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kind of open the veil up a little bit

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but

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comes to cold hard facts i haven't seen

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them

1606
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you're right right

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and

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lastly something that's always really

1609
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interested me is

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many have alluded to the fact that ufos

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are dimensional

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and what is your understanding of this

1613
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possibility

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i'd be surprised if it wasn't

1615
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i mean i really really wouldn't

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um

1617
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there are some ways that we can find i

1618
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think it went classified not too long

1619
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ago but nasa was looking at these things

1620
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where

1621
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the sun's energy was hitting the

1622
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ionosphere

1623
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of earth and it looked like you know

1624
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when you

1625
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see a stream

1626
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and some of the water has to swirl

1627
00:58:10,549 --> 00:58:08,880
around a rock and you have that little

1628
00:58:11,510 --> 00:58:10,559
swirl and then it kind of straightens

1629
00:58:12,870 --> 00:58:11,520
out

1630
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and that's what you see

1631
00:58:17,190 --> 00:58:15,200
in immediate space with this type of

1632
00:58:20,230 --> 00:58:17,200
energy working and it looks like a blue

1633
00:58:23,190 --> 00:58:20,240
vortex that just opens and nasa wants to

1634
00:58:24,950 --> 00:58:23,200
be able to build some sort of rover or

1635
00:58:27,349 --> 00:58:24,960
something to go in these things when

1636
00:58:29,589 --> 00:58:27,359
they open up uh the problem is they

1637
00:58:31,670 --> 00:58:29,599
can't predict when that can happen and i

1638
00:58:32,710 --> 00:58:31,680
mean that seems or looks to me like some

1639
00:58:34,630 --> 00:58:32,720
kind of

1640
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rosen bridge or highway or something

1641
00:58:38,470 --> 00:58:36,240
like that and why wouldn't nature have

1642
00:58:41,349 --> 00:58:38,480
something like that for us but

1643
00:58:43,670 --> 00:58:41,359
um i've seen these things you know climb

1644
00:58:46,470 --> 00:58:43,680
up and just disappear you know i've seen

1645
00:58:49,190 --> 00:58:46,480
them do things that uh you know

1646
00:58:51,030 --> 00:58:49,200
is completely outside of our own um

1647
00:58:52,230 --> 00:58:51,040
our own laws of nature

1648
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so

1649
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you know to uh

1650
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to say interdimensional i i would have

1651
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to say it's it's it's more that

1652
00:59:03,349 --> 00:59:01,119
it's more that than uh you know any kind

1653
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of interstellar type of thing would be i

1654
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mean it just seems like magic

1655
00:59:09,190 --> 00:59:07,040
you question your own sanity and then

1656
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you go get your own sanity check and uh

1657
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they say you're fine

1658
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that drug and alcohol part i have a

1659
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dependency on

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nicotine

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you know on a psychological part i just

1662
00:59:23,829 --> 00:59:20,799
have trouble adjusting to a trauma and a

1663
00:59:26,870 --> 00:59:23,839
lot of people have 12 15 20 things you

1664
00:59:28,870 --> 00:59:26,880
know issues to work on but mine was uh i

1665
00:59:31,190 --> 00:59:28,880
smoked cigarettes and i've been

1666
00:59:33,430 --> 00:59:31,200
traumatized they can't even put ptsd

1667
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which i do believe i have it but they

1668
00:59:38,309 --> 00:59:35,359
believe i'm well-rounded enough to deal

1669
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with it but um yeah i mean you question

1670
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your own sanity when you see these

1671
00:59:43,829 --> 00:59:41,280
things right in front of you you know

1672
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and uh there's no way to

1673
00:59:48,309 --> 00:59:45,920
subside it for yourself so you always

1674
00:59:50,230 --> 00:59:48,319
have to live in this duality and

1675
00:59:52,789 --> 00:59:50,240
cognitive dissonance you know and try to

1676
00:59:53,990 --> 00:59:52,799
balance your life out

1677
00:59:58,069 --> 00:59:54,000
sure

1678
00:59:59,670 --> 00:59:58,079
huge realization this quantum

1679
01:00:01,030 --> 00:59:59,680
entanglement with the universe so to

1680
01:00:02,390 --> 01:00:01,040
speak and then

1681
01:00:05,109 --> 01:00:02,400
you know you're

1682
01:00:07,190 --> 01:00:05,119
you're forced to live a life where uh

1683
01:00:08,870 --> 01:00:07,200
you have to have like discussions around

1684
01:00:10,710 --> 01:00:08,880
the water cooler about things that don't

1685
01:00:12,789 --> 01:00:10,720
matter you know it's very

1686
01:00:14,549 --> 01:00:12,799
very interesting

1687
01:00:16,549 --> 01:00:14,559
i know i know i was at work not too long

1688
01:00:18,870 --> 01:00:16,559
ago and i had to endure

1689
01:00:20,789 --> 01:00:18,880
uh about five people having a 20-minute

1690
01:00:21,990 --> 01:00:20,799
conversation about the new dorito that's

1691
01:00:23,030 --> 01:00:22,000
coming out

1692
01:00:25,510 --> 01:00:23,040
and uh

1693
01:00:28,069 --> 01:00:25,520
i i just i couldn't i couldn't even deal

1694
01:00:29,990 --> 01:00:28,079
with it you know i'm thinking my gosh

1695
01:00:31,750 --> 01:00:30,000
yeah but that's how it is that's

1696
01:00:34,549 --> 01:00:31,760
literally how it is you know you keep an

1697
01:00:37,030 --> 01:00:34,559
even balance i do anyway i speak to uh

1698
01:00:39,670 --> 01:00:37,040
experiencers from all over the world you

1699
01:00:41,670 --> 01:00:39,680
know in 127 different countries

1700
01:00:43,349 --> 01:00:41,680
and uh i work with a lot of them you

1701
01:00:45,030 --> 01:00:43,359
know a lot of them want to bring it up

1702
01:00:46,950 --> 01:00:45,040
to their spouse they want to bring it up

1703
01:00:48,710 --> 01:00:46,960
to their brother or sister

1704
01:00:51,109 --> 01:00:48,720
family members you know just kind of

1705
01:00:52,230 --> 01:00:51,119
open up and release and uh

1706
01:00:56,710 --> 01:00:52,240
once

1707
01:00:58,230 --> 01:00:56,720
happens they feel so much better about

1708
01:01:00,150 --> 01:00:58,240
themselves because

1709
01:01:01,910 --> 01:01:00,160
it relieves that internal

1710
01:01:03,030 --> 01:01:01,920
binding that they have

1711
01:01:05,349 --> 01:01:03,040
so

1712
01:01:08,230 --> 01:01:05,359
even talking to a stranger like me it

1713
01:01:09,750 --> 01:01:08,240
really helps the quality of life

1714
01:01:11,670 --> 01:01:09,760
because you do you have to find that

1715
01:01:12,549 --> 01:01:11,680
balance between this uh

1716
01:01:15,990 --> 01:01:12,559
um

1717
01:01:17,670 --> 01:01:16,000
societal facade and uh reality itself

1718
01:01:19,990 --> 01:01:17,680
and and people aren't ready to wake up

1719
01:01:23,030 --> 01:01:20,000
for the most part so yeah you can't be

1720
01:01:25,030 --> 01:01:23,040
running around just uh um belting it uh

1721
01:01:26,870 --> 01:01:25,040
you know to the the buildings and trees

1722
01:01:29,190 --> 01:01:26,880
you know you've got to uh

1723
01:01:31,109 --> 01:01:29,200
find other ways you know but it's for me

1724
01:01:32,390 --> 01:01:31,119
it's the most important thing is helping

1725
01:01:34,309 --> 01:01:32,400
people out there

1726
01:01:36,470 --> 01:01:34,319
that suffer the same thing you know when

1727
01:01:39,829 --> 01:01:36,480
you get into this um

1728
01:01:42,390 --> 01:01:39,839
these zones of highly active uh psychic

1729
01:01:44,470 --> 01:01:42,400
days or weeks or even months

1730
01:01:46,230 --> 01:01:44,480
uh it's hard to cope with you know

1731
01:01:48,710 --> 01:01:46,240
television portrays

1732
01:01:51,349 --> 01:01:48,720
uh psychic ability in such a different

1733
01:01:52,950 --> 01:01:51,359
way than what it really is um it's more

1734
01:01:55,190 --> 01:01:52,960
like it chooses you

1735
01:01:56,870 --> 01:01:55,200
and you don't really get to control it

1736
01:01:59,029 --> 01:01:56,880
you get to observe it

1737
01:02:01,190 --> 01:01:59,039
and uh it sporadically just kind of goes

1738
01:02:02,190 --> 01:02:01,200
away and comes back you know i had a

1739
01:02:06,789 --> 01:02:02,200
dream

1740
01:02:08,390 --> 01:02:06,799
a couple nights ago this is a um

1741
01:02:10,549 --> 01:02:08,400
just a day in a life

1742
01:02:13,349 --> 01:02:10,559
i had a dream about my friend having

1743
01:02:15,029 --> 01:02:13,359
some kneading surgery getting very sick

1744
01:02:17,589 --> 01:02:15,039
uh and i knew what that was i know the

1745
01:02:19,109 --> 01:02:17,599
difference between a dream and a type of

1746
01:02:20,390 --> 01:02:19,119
premonition there's a very different

1747
01:02:22,390 --> 01:02:20,400
feeling about it

1748
01:02:24,230 --> 01:02:22,400
so these are things that i hide from

1749
01:02:26,309 --> 01:02:24,240
almost everyone but my close friends are

1750
01:02:28,150 --> 01:02:26,319
like cool do this do that you know they

1751
01:02:32,789 --> 01:02:28,160
love it

1752
01:02:34,950 --> 01:02:32,799
friend and i said look you need surgery

1753
01:02:37,510 --> 01:02:34,960
it's your lower abdomen

1754
01:02:39,349 --> 01:02:37,520
something needs to be removed uh you're

1755
01:02:41,109 --> 01:02:39,359
gonna need to get checked for bacterial

1756
01:02:43,029 --> 01:02:41,119
infection and i just kind of named off

1757
01:02:44,710 --> 01:02:43,039
all the symptoms

1758
01:02:46,390 --> 01:02:44,720
and she kind of giggled she's like how

1759
01:02:48,150 --> 01:02:46,400
do you know that i scheduled for surgery

1760
01:02:48,950 --> 01:02:48,160
yesterday i didn't even tell my parents

1761
01:02:50,870 --> 01:02:48,960
yet

1762
01:02:53,670 --> 01:02:50,880
and i was like you have to get it done

1763
01:02:54,470 --> 01:02:53,680
you know i was all over you just do it

1764
01:02:56,150 --> 01:02:54,480
done

1765
01:02:57,750 --> 01:02:56,160
and uh of course you already knew about

1766
01:02:58,630 --> 01:02:57,760
the issue thank god

1767
01:03:00,150 --> 01:02:58,640
um

1768
01:03:01,750 --> 01:03:00,160
but for the most part when you when you

1769
01:03:04,309 --> 01:03:01,760
come across these things you you just

1770
01:03:05,589 --> 01:03:04,319
kind of watch them pass you know

1771
01:03:06,870 --> 01:03:05,599
but

1772
01:03:08,150 --> 01:03:06,880
it's something you really have to hide

1773
01:03:10,630 --> 01:03:08,160
from people because they they really

1774
01:03:12,549 --> 01:03:10,640
don't like about you

1775
01:03:14,630 --> 01:03:12,559
for sure and i think that's something a

1776
01:03:16,390 --> 01:03:14,640
lot of people appreciate about you eric

1777
01:03:19,190 --> 01:03:16,400
is you're trying to make a difference

1778
01:03:21,750 --> 01:03:19,200
and you're doing it and kind of getting

1779
01:03:24,150 --> 01:03:21,760
uh as we wrap up getting to that

1780
01:03:26,309 --> 01:03:24,160
let's talk a little bit about your doc

1781
01:03:29,990 --> 01:03:26,319
coming out experiencer where can people

1782
01:03:33,829 --> 01:03:30,000
support it donate it and access it

1783
01:03:35,910 --> 01:03:33,839
uh it's the the same website you have um

1784
01:03:37,750 --> 01:03:35,920
i really terrible with computers so i

1785
01:03:39,270 --> 01:03:37,760
don't pay attention to the website or

1786
01:03:41,990 --> 01:03:39,280
anything but uh

1787
01:03:44,950 --> 01:03:42,000
i uh i bumped into some some really

1788
01:03:46,470 --> 01:03:44,960
famous networks and they wanted to do a

1789
01:03:48,549 --> 01:03:46,480
very lucrative

1790
01:03:50,549 --> 01:03:48,559
uh type of thing

1791
01:03:52,870 --> 01:03:50,559
and the money looked amazing i couldn't

1792
01:03:55,109 --> 01:03:52,880
even believe that but the problem was is

1793
01:03:58,390 --> 01:03:55,119
they wanted me to kind of dramatize it

1794
01:04:01,510 --> 01:03:58,400
and lie yeah and i wasn't happy about

1795
01:04:03,670 --> 01:04:01,520
that you know i talked to other networks

1796
01:04:05,510 --> 01:04:03,680
all of tv is basically the same they're

1797
01:04:07,990 --> 01:04:05,520
going to push for that kind of thing

1798
01:04:10,789 --> 01:04:08,000
so i met with um

1799
01:04:12,470 --> 01:04:10,799
ufo garage podcast guys who had a great

1800
01:04:15,109 --> 01:04:12,480
time with them and they seemed so

1801
01:04:17,750 --> 01:04:15,119
trustworthy and hardworking and just uh

1802
01:04:19,349 --> 01:04:17,760
you know i look for integrity in people

1803
01:04:21,270 --> 01:04:19,359
um you know when i'm dealing with things

1804
01:04:24,230 --> 01:04:21,280
i don't have enough time to deal with

1805
01:04:26,710 --> 01:04:24,240
people without integrity um the finger

1806
01:04:28,789 --> 01:04:26,720
pointers and the drama people i i don't

1807
01:04:31,190 --> 01:04:28,799
have time for that i mean you know i've

1808
01:04:33,349 --> 01:04:31,200
got a good 20-hour day every day ahead

1809
01:04:35,270 --> 01:04:33,359
of me and i want to make every single

1810
01:04:38,150 --> 01:04:35,280
one of them count and

1811
01:04:41,750 --> 01:04:38,160
it just kind of

1812
01:04:42,950 --> 01:04:41,760
morphed itself into a film company

1813
01:04:45,029 --> 01:04:42,960
and

1814
01:04:46,870 --> 01:04:45,039
we started started doing the project i

1815
01:04:48,870 --> 01:04:46,880
mean there's no way to cover this in an

1816
01:04:50,150 --> 01:04:48,880
hour or two hours but

1817
01:04:52,230 --> 01:04:50,160
i think a good

1818
01:04:54,549 --> 01:04:52,240
introduction and some really hard

1819
01:04:56,470 --> 01:04:54,559
evidence and really hard science

1820
01:04:59,029 --> 01:04:56,480
uh and a lot of spirituality on top of

1821
01:05:00,630 --> 01:04:59,039
that needs to be kind of brought forward

1822
01:05:03,190 --> 01:05:00,640
you know into the light where

1823
01:05:05,029 --> 01:05:03,200
at least if no one likes to watch it the

1824
01:05:07,349 --> 01:05:05,039
quintessential experiencer can watch it

1825
01:05:10,069 --> 01:05:07,359
and go oh my god that's me too you know

1826
01:05:11,750 --> 01:05:10,079
yeah um help alleviate some of that uh

1827
01:05:14,230 --> 01:05:11,760
cognitive dissonance you know after you

1828
01:05:16,950 --> 01:05:14,240
work with about three thousand people uh

1829
01:05:19,029 --> 01:05:16,960
phonetically you you kind of understand

1830
01:05:20,789 --> 01:05:19,039
uh the internal workings and it's

1831
01:05:22,789 --> 01:05:20,799
amazing how similar

1832
01:05:25,270 --> 01:05:22,799
all these people are from

1833
01:05:28,069 --> 01:05:25,280
uh different walks of life and countries

1834
01:05:29,670 --> 01:05:28,079
and continents and um

1835
01:05:32,390 --> 01:05:29,680
everyone's so different but when it

1836
01:05:35,029 --> 01:05:32,400
comes to this it's extremely similar and

1837
01:05:37,349 --> 01:05:35,039
uh there's a mapping uh sociological

1838
01:05:39,349 --> 01:05:37,359
psychological mapping um that even

1839
01:05:41,670 --> 01:05:39,359
psychology needs to branch out into and

1840
01:05:44,309 --> 01:05:41,680
say okay i understand this now you know

1841
01:05:46,470 --> 01:05:44,319
but um i even get psychologists to con

1842
01:05:48,549 --> 01:05:46,480
contact me on a regular basis like i

1843
01:05:49,349 --> 01:05:48,559
don't know how to treat my people

1844
01:05:51,910 --> 01:05:49,359
or

1845
01:05:52,950 --> 01:05:51,920
um this happened to me and i know it

1846
01:05:55,430 --> 01:05:52,960
can't be real it's got to be

1847
01:05:57,829 --> 01:05:55,440
psychological what's going on with me so

1848
01:06:00,390 --> 01:05:57,839
um those are the two kind of approaches

1849
01:06:02,069 --> 01:06:00,400
you get from from psychology

1850
01:06:05,430 --> 01:06:02,079
yeah

1851
01:06:09,190 --> 01:06:05,440
it does seem like there is a common

1852
01:06:10,549 --> 01:06:09,200
thread and in in the um

1853
01:06:12,470 --> 01:06:10,559
things that i've seen about the

1854
01:06:14,069 --> 01:06:12,480
documentary it's just a beautiful

1855
01:06:16,470 --> 01:06:14,079
beautiful way of

1856
01:06:18,870 --> 01:06:16,480
uh kind of getting getting that out

1857
01:06:20,309 --> 01:06:18,880
there getting the uh logistics of the

1858
01:06:21,829 --> 01:06:20,319
situation and scenario and the

1859
01:06:24,549 --> 01:06:21,839
phenomenon out there and i think i think

1860
01:06:25,510 --> 01:06:24,559
it's a it's a novel idea and i love the

1861
01:06:27,349 --> 01:06:25,520
uh

1862
01:06:28,870 --> 01:06:27,359
loved what i've seen so much so far i'm

1863
01:06:30,549 --> 01:06:28,880
just chomping at the bit and can't wait

1864
01:06:32,309 --> 01:06:30,559
to watch it man

1865
01:06:34,309 --> 01:06:32,319
it's it's getting better every day i

1866
01:06:37,349 --> 01:06:34,319
mean we're not a professional film team

1867
01:06:39,430 --> 01:06:37,359
but we're turning into one and uh our

1868
01:06:41,589 --> 01:06:39,440
initial thought was we'll pull out some

1869
01:06:43,670 --> 01:06:41,599
cell phones and and uh you know film

1870
01:06:46,710 --> 01:06:43,680
that way you know witness statements and

1871
01:06:48,950 --> 01:06:46,720
all this stuff uh i would in the future

1872
01:06:49,829 --> 01:06:48,960
like document professionally my entire

1873
01:06:51,510 --> 01:06:49,839
case

1874
01:06:52,470 --> 01:06:51,520
um and that's just

1875
01:06:56,950 --> 01:06:52,480
you know

1876
01:06:59,029 --> 01:06:56,960
have it all down eventually i'm gonna

1877
01:07:00,950 --> 01:06:59,039
pass away my investigator you know he's

1878
01:07:03,430 --> 01:07:00,960
going to pass away and this is not going

1879
01:07:05,910 --> 01:07:03,440
to be told and i think it's important uh

1880
01:07:07,829 --> 01:07:05,920
especially for people that are affected

1881
01:07:09,190 --> 01:07:07,839
in the way i was you know some people it

1882
01:07:11,430 --> 01:07:09,200
takes some years

1883
01:07:12,309 --> 01:07:11,440
for me it was just kind of an overnight

1884
01:07:13,270 --> 01:07:12,319
you know

1885
01:07:15,430 --> 01:07:13,280
thing

1886
01:07:17,589 --> 01:07:15,440
that i had to cope with afterwards and

1887
01:07:18,549 --> 01:07:17,599
uh learning those mechanisms on a daily

1888
01:07:21,750 --> 01:07:18,559
basis

1889
01:07:24,630 --> 01:07:21,760
um but uh i want that documented but i

1890
01:07:26,710 --> 01:07:24,640
don't want a documentary being about me

1891
01:07:28,069 --> 01:07:26,720
let's let's put some hard evidence in

1892
01:07:30,630 --> 01:07:28,079
there you know let's put some

1893
01:07:32,150 --> 01:07:30,640
credibility in there that's fine um but

1894
01:07:33,349 --> 01:07:32,160
i want to branch this out to all the

1895
01:07:35,270 --> 01:07:33,359
people out there in the world that are

1896
01:07:38,069 --> 01:07:35,280
suffering from this and i have no one to

1897
01:07:39,990 --> 01:07:38,079
talk to or go it's a terrible thing to

1898
01:07:42,069 --> 01:07:40,000
carry around

1899
01:07:43,750 --> 01:07:42,079
well i know uh i appreciate you and a

1900
01:07:45,349 --> 01:07:43,760
lot of other people appreciate your

1901
01:07:47,349 --> 01:07:45,359
efforts and what you're trying to do and

1902
01:07:48,870 --> 01:07:47,359
i think it's very noble and i can't

1903
01:07:50,950 --> 01:07:48,880
thank you enough for coming on the

1904
01:07:52,150 --> 01:07:50,960
podcast i hope i hope we can talk again

1905
01:07:53,990 --> 01:07:52,160
soon

1906
01:07:56,789 --> 01:07:54,000
yeah yeah you absolutely have my number

1907
01:07:58,630 --> 01:07:56,799
man and it'd be a be great just to

1908
01:08:01,029 --> 01:07:58,640
talk anytime

1909
01:08:03,190 --> 01:08:01,039
right on well until next time i'll talk

1910
01:08:04,710 --> 01:08:03,200
to you soon and uh i'll let you go

1911
01:08:06,630 --> 01:08:04,720
thanks so much

1912
01:08:08,470 --> 01:08:06,640
thanks for uh thanks for having me on my

1913
01:08:09,910 --> 01:08:08,480
friend you take care

1914
01:08:12,390 --> 01:08:09,920
well there you have it ladies and

1915
01:08:14,069 --> 01:08:12,400
gentlemen eric mitchell not just an

1916
01:08:15,589 --> 01:08:14,079
experiencer but one that's doing

1917
01:08:17,990 --> 01:08:15,599
something about it trying to make a

1918
01:08:20,149 --> 01:08:18,000
difference and this epic documentary

1919
01:08:21,590 --> 01:08:20,159
that will be coming out soon please

1920
01:08:26,470 --> 01:08:21,600
check it out

1921
01:08:32,630 --> 01:08:30,789
and there's also a way to donate at that

1922
01:08:34,070 --> 01:08:32,640
address i would highly recommend doing

1923
01:08:35,669 --> 01:08:34,080
that as well

1924
01:08:38,309 --> 01:08:35,679
until next time keep your eyes to the

1925
01:08:57,189 --> 01:08:38,319
skies feet on the ground but don't

1926
01:09:03,189 --> 01:09:00,070
come blast off in my time machine third

1927
01:09:04,390 --> 01:09:03,199
eye feeling like a knee vision blast off